========================================== Rare Fruit News Online - All Year for 2011 ========================================== Rare Fruit News Online - January 1, 2011 - AKA RFN201101A.txt _____________________________________________________________ <><><><> Notes In Passing - Leo <><><><> My mango crop suffered in December with the untimely rain and unusual weather. Many fruits too green to pick to ripen off the tree split and began to rot. If there is any likelihood that the weather pattern will continue, we may want to get earlier-ripening varieties. How has the winter of 2010 affected your fruit? And in San Diego, we have a continuing rainfall prediction beginning the first Monday in 2011 Upcoming Tropical Fruit Conferences in Hawaii! You may want to go. 2011 Hawaii Tropical Fruit Growers conference will be in Kona, Hawaii on Sept. 9,10 & 11 , at the Keauhou Beach hotel in Kona. See the details in the HawaiiFruitLovers announcement below. CRFG - Ed Hamilton Memorial Service - Join the family in a memorial service to honor and remember the life of Ed Hamilton on Saturday, the 15th of January, from 3 to 5 pm at Casa del Prado, Balboa Park. The service is expected to be held both indoor, in Room 104, and outdoor on the patio. In the event of rain, the outdoor portion will be relocated indoors. Food and coffee will be provided by the San Diego Botanical Garden Foundation. Everyone is invited to bring a dessert to share if desired. The family is also planning a PowerPoint presentation and is graciously requesting copies of any and all photographs of Ed. Please email to JoyBladykas@yahoo.com or contact Joy directly at 619-366-1057. <><><><><><><><><> Table Of Contents <><><><><><><><><> -> -> -> Messages follow the Table Of Contents <- <- <- <><><> New Subscribers <><><> New Subscriber-Brooklyn, NY-Wants American Chestnut Info Michael De Filippo <><><> Readers Write <><><> Ripe Mangoes In Northern California! Tammy Vong Papaya In San Diego? & When To Harvest Yacon? Ryan Re: Papaya In San Diego? & When To Harvest Yacon? Leo Manuel To: Ryan Chill Requirement For Paw Paw - Virtually None? Oscar Jaitt Jaboticaba recipes CHINO228@aol.com Use Compost From Composting Toilet in Food Crops? Safe? STEVE WRIGHT Re: Use Compost From Composting Toilet in Food Crops? Safe? Leo Manuel To: STEVE WRIGHT 10 Fruit Trees Delivered for $199! - Best Value? Peaceful Valley Farm [HawaiiFruitlovers] Upcoming Tropical Fruit Conferences HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com Climate Changes Leads To Adaptable Fruit? teban tani David Archer's Bonita Creek Nursery Near San Diego Leo Manuel Horticulture Class Openings at Southwestern College Landscape and Nursery Technology -> -> -> -> -> -> Messages <- <- <- <- <- <- <><><><><><><><> New Subscribers <><><><><><><><><> Subject: New Subscriber-Brooklyn, NY-Wants American Chestnut Info From: "Michael De Filippo" Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:36:38 -0500 I would like to sign up for the free e-newsletter. I am Michael De Filippo. I live in Brooklyn, NY 11209-5508. I would like the newsletter to be sent to mjtdf@ecomail.org. I am not currently growing any fruit trees yet. I would like to grow the American Chestnut. Thank you very much for your time and cooperation regarding this matter. Sincerely, Michael mailto:mjtdf@ecomail.org <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> Subject: Ripe Mangoes In Northern California! From: Tammy Vong Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:43:54 -0800 Hey Leo, I just wanted to let you know that I got ripe mangoes to ripen on tree in northern california. http://marinmangos.com/ Tammy mailto:tammy_vong@hotmail.com [Congratulations! Is the tree in a greenhouse? Any special protection? What variety is the mango? Other growers will want to try it. -Leo] ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Papaya In San Diego? & When To Harvest Yacon? From: Ryan Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:51:06 -0800 (PST) Hello Leo, I have a Yacon plant that is planted at the kids school garden that is flowering. I see some of the leaves have been damaged by the cold. When/how do you harvest tubers from your plant? Also, I just read the letter about the papaya in winter. Yes, cold and wet will kill papaya quickly. When I lived in Hawaii I worked farming them, and I have grown them in san diego as well. My experience has been they need great drainage, especially if it's cold. Also, there are many varieties that may be tried to find some more adapted to our climate. I hope all is well for you. Ryan mailto:somsag_98@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Papaya In San Diego? & When To Harvest Yacon? From: Leo Manuel Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:37:41 -0800 To: Ryan Hi Ryan Good to hear from you! I'm never sure when is the best time to harvest Yacon, but for the plant's behavior now, I would guess it could be anytime. I don't know if it's better to dig them all or only the largest ones. Your papaya growing in San Diego interests me. I've grown the plants, but the fruit has not been nearly as tasty as those imported from Hawaii. What varieties do you recommend for San Diego? Happy Holly Daze! Leo [If you have had success growing papaya in climates similar to ours in the San Diego area, please give us your success story including better tasting variety names. -Leo] ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Chill Requirement For Paw Paw - Virtually None? From: Oscar Jaitt Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:13:02 -1000 Hi Leo, I used to believe also that paw paw needed chilling hours, but found out recently that there is a member of LA Chapter CRFG that fruits paw paws in coastal Santa Monica, which means almost zero chill. Read below message from Margaret Frane. Hi Oscar I grow several paw paws. However the two that I get fruit from are the Davis (definitely the best tasting) and the Sunflower (the most prolific.) Both varieties are Asimina triloba. I've tasted northern paw paws and admit they are better than mine. However, the Davis is quite good and I enjoy both varieties. I got both from a friend (who was moving) in 2002, when they were probably around 5 years old. Then it took another 2 years for them to establish and begin to fruit. I'll try to get hold of the friend and ask her where she originally got the paw paws (Betsy Young - she's elderly and doesn't have email). The ones I ordered from Burnt Ridge Nursery have not done terribly well. The Davis needs the Sunflower for pollination. The Sunflower is touted to be self-pollinating but I can't really say as I've always had both. If I hand pollinated, I would probably get more fruit. However, I don't and I seem to do fine. Next year I may try to hand pollinate the Davis and see if I can get more production from the tree. I attached some pictures. My other varieties are quite young (obtained at about 4 inches tall in 2008).They are slow growers and are still under 2 feet tall with no sign of fruit yet; some died. On the other hand, 2 year old cuttings from the Sunflower are already fruiting and about three feet tall! I don't know if Hawaii would let you bring them in, but I'd be happy to try to make cutting of the Davis and Sunflower for you. The cuttings can be tricky but I've succeeded in the past. I live in Santa Monica about 2 1/2 miles from the water. We get, at most, 100 hours of chill. The varieties not doing so well are Overleese, SusquHene, Taytwo, and Wells. By the way, I am now growing cherries too - real ones!! Dave Wilson Nursery has a Minnie Royal and Royal Lee that can rival the Bing in taste. If you prefer, they also have a Royal Rainier. I have all three and they produce well. The Minnie Royal and Royal Lee pollinate each other; I'm not sure what pollinates the Royal Rainier, as it comes in later! Margaret/Marjane > http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/pawpaw.html > > > > Adaptation: The pawpaw is adapted to the humid continental > climate of its native habitat. It is seldom found near the > Atlantic or Gulf coasts. It requires a minimum of 400 hours of > winter chill and at least 160 frost-free days. Oscar Jaitt mailto:fruitlovers@hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Jaboticaba recipes From: Maurice Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:07:36 -0500 (EST) Dear Leo: On the subject of additional ways to use Jaboticaba fruits, the Rare Fruit Council "Rare & Exotic Tropical Recipes Cookbook" ($25+ S&H) has several recipes including Jaboticaba coffee cake, Jaboticaba jam, Jaboticaba jelly, Jaboticaba syrup and Mango and Jaboticaba pudding cake. Contact Maurice (305) 554-1333 or Maurice mailto:chino228@aol.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Use Compost From Composting Toilet in Food Crops? Safe? From: Steve Wright Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:24:38 -0800 (PST) I would like to know about the safety of using the compost from a composting toilet. Can the composted contents be used in vegetable or fruit orchards as soil amendment? Steve Wright mailto:sdubya59@sbcglobal.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Use Compost From Composting Toilet in Food Crops? Safe? From: Leo Manuel Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:02:44 -0800 To: STEVE WRIGHT Hi Steve I'll post your question. I'd guess that fruit orchard would be more likely considered to be safe than for vegetables. Happy Holly Daze! Leo ------------------------------------------------ Subject: 10 Fruit Trees Delivered for $199! - Best Value? From: Peaceful Valley Farm Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:40:22 -0800 10 Fruit Trees Delivered for $199! Order today for best selection. Trees are shipping now! 2-1 Why Buy Our Fruit Trees? Most fruit trees are only $19.99 Most of our trees are 2-years-old meaning you will get fruit sooner. Most of the trees are semi-dwarf for an easy harvest. We guarantee our trees will leaf out by June 1st (see below). Get trees for as little as $15.99 with our generous volume pricing! Over 10,000 trees & 158 varieties for you to choose from. 1-2-2 Replacement Guarantee If your bare-root fruit or nut tree (incl. potted fig or pomegranate), does not leaf out in Spring, contact our Customer Service by June 1st and return the dead plant to us for inspection. Read full guarantee. This email was sent by GrowOrganic.com | Peaceful Valley Farm & Garden Supply at P.O. Box 2209 (mail), 125 Clydesdale Ct (ship), Grass Valley, CA 95945. ------------------------------------------------ Subject: [HawaiiFruitlovers] Upcoming Tropical Fruit Conferences From: HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com Date: 23 Dec 2010 11:41:49 -0000 1. Upcoming Tropical Fruit Conferences Posted by: "fruitlovers" fruitlovers@gmail.com fruitlovers 2011 Hawaii Tropical Fruit Growers conference will be in Kona, Hawaii on Sept. 9,10 & 11 , at the Keauhou Beach hotel in Kona. At the last CRFG Festival in Pomona the idea was brought up to have a 2013 international grand conference in Honolulu which would include ALL the fruit groups from California, Florida, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico. Oscar Jaitt mailto:fruitlovers@hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Climate Changes Leads To Adaptable Fruit? From: Steve Ashley Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 9:00 PM Leo, It does seem like the weather is different this year here in San Diego County anyway. Early rains followed by some early frost and now in December we have both unseasonable heat and rain. I have lived here over sixty years and don't know what to expect next. Record heat is reported for recent years in the northern hemisphere anyway, so what to do? How about a list of tough rare fruit to survive the changes? Figs, pomegranates, and olives come to mind, but they are not rare. Maybe loquats, persimmons, guavas like Fejoa, and a tasty Eleagnus berry would survive even if we don't. Any others to suggest? Steve Ashley Vista, CA [Good point, Steve. I noticed that the later-ripening mango fruit were lost when the unseasonal and frequent rains in December caused the fruit to split and rot when they were too immature to ripen off the trees. It makes me think that the early-ripening ones may be preferable in the future. Why not include White Sapote in your list? What ideas do the rest of the readers have? -Leo] ------------------------------------------------ Subject: David Archer's Bonita Creek Nursery Near San Diego From: Leo Manuel Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 21:51:10 -0800 David Archer's Web Page: http://www.bonitafruittrees.com/ Bonita Creek Nursery 3440 Proctor Valley Rd Bonita, CA. To arrange a visit, first call 619-470-2005 The folks at the Bonita Creek Nursery wish to thank all of our friends, customers, cooperators and correspondents worldwide for the support. Now more than 7 years old, our exotic and rare tree nursery is finally maturing and bearing fruit. We welcome you if you are a new customer and welcome back our regular customers. ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Horticulture Class Openings at Southwestern College From: Landscape and Nursery Technology Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:05:17 -0500 (EST) Landscape and Nursery Technology Spring Class Offerings Southwestern College Join Our Mailing List Classes still Open - Enroll Now! Spring Classes begin January 12th! The Landscape and Nursery Technology program has some great courses available to you this spring. Take a look below and then see the article that follows that explains how to enroll. LNT 70 - Pruning Fruit Trees and Vines: Taught by local expert Tom Del Hotal, you'll get both classroom knowledge and hands-on pruning experience. Find out how to increase fruit quality, fruit size, and how to select the best fruiting plants for your home. Offered as a six week course with Thursday evening lectures from 6-8 pm and Saturday labs from 3:30 to 5:30 pm. The class begins January 13th and ends February 26th. LNT 101 - Sustainable Energy Studies: Offered on Thursday evenings from 6:15 to 9:15 pm beginning on January 13th. LNT 106-108 - Plant Identification: Shrubs: If you want to find out the best shrubs to use in San Diego climates and want to learn their proper names, uses, and characteristics, then this is your class. Attend the first six week segment on Tuesday and Thursday afternoons, from 4:30 to 6:00 pm beginning on January 13th. LNT 119 - Plant Identification: Xeriphytic Plants: Need to learn about plants that need very little water? Learn over 100 different plants that come from semi-arid areas such as Australia, South Africa, and Mediterranean countries. Conveniently offered on various Saturdays from 8:00 am to 3:00 pm. LNT 122 - Landscape Design II: For those of you that have taken Landscape Design 1, you don't want to miss the LNT 122 - Landscape Design 2 course. Offered on Tuesday and Thursday evenings from 6:15 to 10:00 pm. LNT 128 - Sprinkler Design: We all know the need to use water correctly. Proper water application is a function of three critical components: proper design, proper installation, and proper maintenance. Offered on Wednesday evenings from 5:00 to 10:00 pm beginning on January 12th. LNT 136 - Plant Pest and Disease Control: Here is your chance to identify all those weeds, insects, and diseases that sometime attack your garden and plants plus find out the safest ways in which to control them. Offered on Monday evenings from 5:30 to 9:00 pm. LNT 138 - Floral Design 1: A great way to learn the basics of floral design for a career, job, or for personal reasons. Materials fee of $50. The class begins on January 24th and is held on Mondays from 5:00 - 10:00 pm. LNT 140 - Floral Design 2: Add on to your floral skills learning larger creations such as wedding and funeral arrangements and creations for corporate events. Materials fee of $50. The class begins on January 18th and is held on Tuesdays from 9:00 am - 2:00 pm. LNT 146 - Plant Propagation: A super 9 week course that shows you how to propagate new plants from seeds, cuttings, divisions, separation, and cloning. Offered with a Wednesday night lecture from 6:00 to 8:00 pm and Saturday labs from 8:00 am to 2:00 pm. The class begins on March 16th. LNT 148 - Horticultural Business Practices: Learning a horticultural skill is only half the battle - it must be complimented with sound business practices to allow for success. Offered on Tuesday evenings from 6:15 to 9:15 and begins on January 18th. LA 200 - Introduction to Computer-Aided Landscape Design: Using CAD software can greatly increase your speed and productivity in creating landscape and sprinkler designs. Offered on Monday evenings from 5:00 to 10:00 pm and begins on January 24th. How To Enroll in Landscape and Nursery Technology Course First, if you would like a complete listing of our Landscape and Nursery Technology courses then click on Spring 2010 LNT Schedule to get your copy. Next, if you haven't taken a course at Southwestern College recently, then you will have to enroll in the college. Simply visit the college website at www.swccd.edu and then click on the Apply Online tab located in the right hand column area. Follow all the instructions and once done, you will be able given a login in name and a password. You will then be able to go back to the Southwestern College webpage at www.swccd.edu and then you can begin enrolling in classes by clicking on WebAdvisor located in the right hand column area. Note that if two sections numbers are listed then the first section number is for college credit and tuition fees will apply. The second section number (if listed) is for taking the course through the ROP program - no tuition will be applied but the class will not earn you any college units. We greatly encourage you to enroll in advance as classes may fill up or, in some cases, classes may be cancelled due to low enrollment even before their first class meeting. So, enroll in advance to avoid any problems. However, should you have difficulties in enrolling early, show up to the first class meeting and the instructor will help you in adding the course. In any case, if you have problems or questions, call us at 619-421-6700 ext 5371. LNT Website Down! You may have noticed that the Landscape and Nursery Technology website (www.lntswc.com) is down. The reason is that our web provider has decided to get out of the web providing business. We can't complain as this wonderful person has provided web services for us for free for many, many years. In the meantime, Southwestern College is in the process of changing their website and is encouraging all programs to be under their umbrella. We have now totally revamped our LNT website and are currently waiting for Southwestern College to launch its new website. Hopefully that will occur in the early weeks of the Spring semester, 2011. So, in the meantime, we are without a website. So, the LNT staff will do its best to communicate with you by these email blasts. If you know of someone who is not getting these emails, then have them send us their email address and we will add it to our list. Simply email Bill Homyak at whomyak@swccd.edu Also, be aware that our Spring 2011 Schedule of Courses is available by clicking on the link in the article above. And, you can always visit the Southwestern College website at www.swccd.edu to find out about LNT classes and to enroll. Southwestern College 900 Otay Lakes Road Chula Vista CA 91910 <><><><> Announcements And Web Pages To Consider <><><><> San Diego Chapter California Rare Fruit Growers Meeting: Where: Casa del Prado Building Room 101, Balboa Park When: Fourth Wednesday Of Each Month (Except December) See: http://www.crfgsandiego.org http://nc.crfgsandiego.org For North County CRFG Chapter Meeting http://www.crfg.org/chapters.html For information about ALL CRFG chapters. <><><> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HawaiiFruitlovers/ <><><> [HawaiiFruitlovers] Digest Numbers xx, yy HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com To: HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com> 1a. Surinam cherries Posted by: foodiesleuth cubanwahine@hawaii.rr.com __ 1b. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: ken love ken@mycoffee.net __ 1c. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: foodiesleuth cubanwahine@hawaii.rr.com __ 1d. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: ken love ken@mycoffee.net __ 1a. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: owanafarm owanafarm@yahoo.com.mx __ 1b. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: foodiesleuth cubanwahine@hawaii.rr.com> <> Agricultural Research Service (ARS) mailto:news@arsgrin.gov <> http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/thelatest.htm. None this time <><><><><><><><><> End of RFN201001A.txt <><><><><><><><><><> Rare Fruit News Online - January 15, 2011 - AKA RFN201101B.txt _____________________________________________________________ <><><><> Notes In Passing - Leo <><><><> Rains seem to be gone for a while. Temperature the past few days in the high seventies here. Several of you have installed rainwater collecting systems lately. Most of the rest of us would like to hear from you about where to get the tanks, where to position and other things you have learned. We should be placing mulch around the trees so that we get the most benefit from the rain during the long intervals between rainfall. <><><><><><><><><> Table Of Contents <><><><><><><><><> -> -> -> Messages follow the Table Of Contents <- <- <- <><><> New Subscribers <><><> New Subscriber - Fallbrook, CA David McKinney New Subscriber - Crete (Greece) Wants Permaculture Info Tom Schoors RE: Comments for Tom Schoors? Vital Scherrer <><><> Readers Write <><><> Ripe Mangoes In Northern California! Jeff Earl re: Harvesting Yacon - When? Oscar Jaitt To: Ryan Monarch butterflies Vital Scherrer Re: Monarch butterflies Leo Manuel To: Vital Scherrer Atomic Grow Information Grant Hammond Re: Toilet compost for fruit Dan Hemenway Re: Use Compost From Composting Toilet in Food Crops? Safe? Leo Manuel To: STEVE WRIGHT Panel - Discussion about Cherimoya Allan Bredeson http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=26596 Paul In San Diego Wants Grafted Fino De Jete Cheremoya Paul Ulrich [HawaiiFruitlovers] Digest-Grumichama and Rambutan HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com Monarch Butterfly Sanctuary Tour In Mexico Dick http://www.ecotravelmexico.com/monarch_butterfly_kingdom.php Re: Seedless Guava Tree Wanted Quang Ong -> -> -> -> -> -> Messages <- <- <- <- <- <- <><><><><><><><> New Subscribers <><><><><><><><><> Subject: New Subscriber - Fallbrook, CA From: David McKinney Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 19:51:02 -0700 Leo, We are requesting that you forward to us the Rare Fruit News Online. David and Catalina McKinney Fallbrook, CA 92028 760-645-3325 mailto:the.professor.777@hotmail.com We currently grow about 29 different types of fruit. We also are in the process of seeking a larger piece of land (in the Fallbrook area) to start a grove, probably pomegranates or cherimoyas. We also will probably join the CRFG - North San Diego County Chap. Thanks for your response to our request. David and Catalina mailto:the.professor.777@hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: New Subscriber - Crete (Greece) Wants Permaculture Info From: Tom Schoors Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 07:52:08 -0800 (PST) I am Tom Schoors Living right now still in Belgium, but planning to relocate to western Crete (Greece) this year. I am not yet growing any fruit. I want to grow anything that grows and has culinary/nutritional/ in the temperate subtropical climate of Crete. I am planning on setting up a permaculture (fruit) farm in Chania, Crete anyone that is living there or has experience in growing fruits in Crete is welcome to respond and help us in setting up our little cretan fruit project, thanks! Regards, Tom Schoors mailto:tomschoors@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------ From: Vital Scherrer To: Leo Manuel Subject: RE: Do you have any comments for Tom Schoors? Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:20:20 +0000 Hi Leo, Unfortunately Tom kept his request rather general. It would be conducive if he could give more information about the climate zone (or at least the altitude) and the soil conditions (including pH, which could likely be calcareous, I would guess). But in any case, apart from the www.crfg.org/pubs/frtfacts.html, I would also recommend the plant search engine at www.pfaf.org/user/plantsearch.aspx. http://ecocrop.fao.org/ecocrop/srv/en/cropFindForm can be helpful as well. Otherwise I can only recommend to explore the Cretian landscapes with similar conditions as much as possible. Remigrated immigrants may be growing rare fruits in their garden. A botanical garden could be instructive as well. The hardest part however is to get plants or propagation material of rare fruits, as the export and import laws are often very restrictive. Cheerios Vital mailto:vital233@hotmail.com Madeira island (Portugal) 33ºN Zone 10b Sunset H1 <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> Subject: Ripe Mangoes In Northern California! From: "Jeff Earl" Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 15:08:55 -0800 Hi Tammy, Congrats on fruiting the Glenn mango. I fruited a Seedling Keitt here in Modesto for many years. It was planted close to my house. It rarely saw frost damage and eventually got to about 20ft tall at 10 years old. I cut it down a couple years ago and replaced it with a Seedling Thompsen Mango, which seems to be a lot more frost hardy. . The problems that I had with the seedling Keitt fruit... appears to be the same as with your fruit. The tree flowers when the nights are still cool and the seed fails to develope inside the fruit. One piece of advice. Allow your trees to get at least 8 feet tall before allowing them to set fruit. Fruit at such a small size is hard on the tree. Jeff Earl Modesto, CA mailto:jeffearl@sbcglobal.net --------- From: Tammy Vong Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:43:54 -0800 Hey Leo, I just wanted to let you know that I got ripe mangoes to ripen on tree in northern california. http://marinmangos.com/ Tammy mailto:tammy_vong@hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Harvesting Yacon From: Oscar Jaitt Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:17:10 -1000 To: Ryan Hi Ryan, the time to harvest yacon is when the plant dies down to the ground...similar to potato. You dig the whole clump out at once. Clumps are very large, much larger than potatoes. The plant produces two types of tubers. Use the large long tubers, that look like sweet potatoes, for eating, and use the smaller round tubers, the ones that look like jerusalem artichokes, for replanting. (Yacon is a close relative of Jerusalem artichokes.) Here is a photo of 3 yacon clumps i harvested last year: http://www.fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/Yacon.jpg Happy New Year, Oscar mailto:fruitlovers@hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Monarch butterflies From: Vital Scherrer Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 11:28:43 +0000 Hello Leo, I thought you might be interested to know that I spotted a Monarch butterfly on this island (near Funchal) past Friday. I also saw some in my fruit jungle a few months ago. But I would imagine that it can be very difficult for them to find suitable plants. Quite a few years ago we had a lot of them breeding on some plants which produce nearly tennis ball sized balloon-like "fruits". Are these the plants they use for reproduction where you live, and do they use other plants as well? Cheerios Vital mailto:vital233@hotmail.com Madeira island (Portugal) 33 N Zone 10b Sunset H1 ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Monarch butterflies From: Leo Manuel Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 07:03:12 -0800 To: Vital Scherrer Hi Vital There are numerous food sources for the Monarch, but the plant I like is Aclepias curassavica aka Tropical milkweed, Mexican Milkweed, or Bloodflower which probably would be easy to grow there. The flowers are attractive and colorful as well. They utilize Aclepias spp of a dozen or so for reproduction. Let me know if you have trouble getting seeds. I could try to get some to you. Thanks for writing! Leo ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Atomic Grow Information From: "Grant Hammond" Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 10:12:31 -0500 Hi Leo, I love your newsletter, keep publishing....Please change my present E-mail address you have on file for me. The new address is gbhammond@atomicgrow.info . Would you be so kind as to publish in this next month news letter the following bit of information for your subscribers? This information is beneficial to all your subscribers for whatever they are growing. I know the crazy weather that you are experiencing in California, but this product actually improves the overall vitality and "weather-proofs" crops & plants against weather damage that effects fruits & crops. Please publish: Atomic Grow: What makes Atomic Grow so different? Atomic Grow is made from various US Government FDA approved food stock and food additives formulated into a colloidal liquid emulsion with extremely small molecular size particles. These small size particles cause a change how the product is able to work in the plant. Atomic Grow is able to enter the plant cells due to its extremely tiny molecular structure. Atomic Grow does not possess the quality of nutrients that are normally found in other foliar fertilizers. The nutrients it has are extremely efficient and effective for enhanced plant growth. Atomic Grow is able to provide energy and nourishment to the plant’Äôs cell, which in turn increases the level of sugar production that the plant photosynthesizes. When this higher sugar level in the plant is achieved, (referred to as Brix) Plant production increases greatly. This chain of events also helps to boost what is termed systemic acquired resistance or SAR for short. With a higher degree of increased sugar/Brix levels, the plant has the capability to defend itself from attacks from pests and pathogens, as a result of having a quality supply of nutrients along with an increased sugar level. The results and benefits from using Atomic Grow is that growers are capable to produce healthier more nutritious food for both humans and animals, with a greater increase in yields of their crops. It has been reported by users of Atomic Grow that such yields in some cases are as high as 33% more plant production with far fewer growing problems. For more information check out: www.atomicgrow.info Thank You Leo, keep on growing, Grant mailto:gbhammond@atomicgrow.info ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Toilet compost for fruit From: Dan Hemenway Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:02:26 -0500 (EST) Hi Leo et al. The safety of compost from human manure (AKA humanure), on food crops requires further information for an accurate and prudent reply. Properly composted humanure is safe to use on food crops, including fruits. I tend to be hesitant about using it on root vegetables, but since they should not be fertilized with any kind of manure because the excess nitrogen produces too much foliage at the expense of roots (tubers, corms, etc.), fertilizing the with humanure is bad horticulture and to be avoided, even if the practice is safe. Years ago I was invited to visit the gardens of Joe Jenkins, subsequently author of the Humanure Handbook. His gardens and his family seemed pretty healthy to me, and they composted all their humanure and applied it to the garden. Joe's system is not a composting toilet, strictly speaking, but a collecting toilet for composting humanure, along with the rest of available compostables, in a well-managed compost pile. His book is widely available and we also published an article by Joe on his system in the latest issue of our publication, The International Permaculture Solutions Journal, along with a companion treatment by me surveying various humanure composting systems. NGOs in Africa and elsewhere are beginning to promote humanure composting for subsistence farms, with strong evidence that it is not only safe, but effective, raising the standard of living of families who practice it. Joe has put together tables on the safety of humanure compost for various retention times and temperatures, and graphs showing temperature curves and reporting on laboratory tests for pathogens. These are available in his book and reprinted in our journal. It seems to me rather obvious that 'chemical' fertilizer is based on non-renewable resources, so that using it once to grow a crop and then destroying or diverting from agriculture the manure produced as a result of that crop is a dead end, and the society that adheres to this practice is heading toward its own dead end. Using humanure and, with less fuss, human urine simply adheres to natural cycles. This is not to say any form of application is OK. But the various methods of treating humanure and human urine to make them safe fertilizers are simple, known, and well documented. That said, commercial composting toilets may or may not produce compost that is safe for application to food crops, depending on how the toilets are designed and how they are used. If there is any doubt, recomposting in a hot pile will reduce pathogens below levels in the soil. There is no point it going for full sterility, which is extremely unnatural, since the soil contains just about everything of concern already, but, at least in most temperate zone conditions, in very small amounts, proportionately. Vermicomposting was shown to be complete control of residual sewage sludge in a Florida study. No pathogens were found in the finished vermicompost. Since the abstracts I've seen did not say which pathogens were present before vermicomposting, one needs to find the initial study for the full picture. Manure from healthy people, in any case, is not going to be ambushed by pathogens. If they aren't in the people, they won' t be in their manure, though I guess if it were left in the open (ugh!), flies might carry in something from the neighbors, if they happen to be diseased. The short answer is to read Jenkins in either source mentioned and see if the conditions for eliminating pathogens are met by your composter. If they are, don't fret: use it to grow food. Dan Hemenway mailto:permacltur@aol.com Barking Frogs Permaculture Center www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org --- Subject: Use Compost From Composting Toilet in Food Crops? Safe? From: Steve Wright Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:24:38 -0800 (PST) I would like to know about the safety of using the compost from a composting toilet. Can the composted contents be used in vegetable or fruit orchards as soil amendment? Steve Wright mailto:sdubya59@sbcglobal.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Use Compost From Composting Toilet in Food Crops? Safe? From: Leo Manuel Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:02:44 -0800 To: STEVE WRIGHT Hi Steve I'll post your question. I'd guess that fruit orchard would be more likely considered to be safe than for vegetables. Happy Holly Daze! Leo ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Panel - Discussion about Cherimoya From: "Allan Bredeson" Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 20:42:16 -1000 http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=26596 Click on above link to read a discussion about Cherimoya with many S. Californians participating. I made a few comments as well. Just thought you might like to read it. Allan mailto:alinkona@hawaiiantel.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Paul In San Diego Wants Grafted Fino De Jete Cheremoya From: Paul Ulrich Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:36:06 -0800 Leo I am looking for a grafted Fino De Jete Cheramoya in San Diego area. Can you help with this or put it in your newsletter? Thanks for the fine job on this newsletter. I appreciate very much receiving it Paul mailto:pulr@live.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: [HawaiiFruitlovers] Digest-Grumichama and Rambutan From: HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com Date: 8 Jan 2011 11:35:37 -0000 Hawaii Tropical Fruit Lovers - Messages In This Digest Photo of Fruits in Season From: fruitlovers It's time for brazilian cherry, also called grumichama. Trees had a bumper crop this year, and right after flowering are now fruiting again: http://www.fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/ BrazilianCherryFruitFlowerOnTree.jpg Also rambutan season is starting. I have some yellow and red fruiting types: http://www.fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/RambutanRedAndYellow.jpg Enjoy, Oscar mailto:fruitlovers@hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Monarch Butterfly Sanctuary Tour In Mexico From: Dick Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 15:39:45 -0800 http://www.ecotravelmexico.com/monarch_butterfly_kingdom.php Hey Leo Want to go to Mexico and see some butterflies? Check out this link. Dick mailto:rhsnowsr@cox.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Seedless Guava Tree Wanted From: quang12@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:12:27 -0500 (EST) Yes, we have seedless tropical guavas, in our San Diego Nursery. Thanksss Quang Ong (owner) mailto:Quang12@aol.com (best, if need me) ONG Nursery 2528 Crandall Drive San Diego, California 92111 Opens: Saturday & Sunday ONLY Tel: (858) 277-8167 after 5:00 PM (Mon-Fri) and any time 8:00AM-5:00PM (Sat.& Sun.) Fax: (858) 569-9857 (best, if need me) ---- -----Original Message----- From: Leo Manuel Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 5:13 pm Subject: Seedless Guava Tree Wanted Hi Leo, I was wondering if you or any of the readers have knowledge of seedless guavas. How is their flavor/texture compared to their seeded friends; do they grow in San Diego, CA USA (zone 9-ish); where can a tree be purchased (is there more than one cultivar of seedless), are there producing trees in San Diego, is there anywhere near San Diego to buy fresh fruit in order to sample before planting, etc. I absolutely love the look, smell, flavor and texture of guavas, and the ability to eat them out of hand. However, I just can't tolerate the seeds. My teeth are very sensitive and I've bitten down just a little too hard too many times no matter how careful I am. Any replies would be appreciated and can be included in the newsletter or sent to nasmurphy@aol.com. Thank you! Stephanie Murphy <><><><> Announcements And Web Pages To Consider <><><><> San Diego Chapter California Rare Fruit Growers Meeting: Where: Casa del Prado Building Room 101, Balboa Park When: Fourth Wednesday Of Each Month (Except December) See: http://www.crfgsandiego.org http://nc.crfgsandiego.org For North County CRFG Chapter Meeting http://www.crfg.org/chapters.html For information about ALL CRFG chapters. <><><> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HawaiiFruitlovers/ <><><> [HawaiiFruitlovers] Digest Numbers xx, yy HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com To: HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com> 1a. Surinam cherries Posted by: foodiesleuth cubanwahine@hawaii.rr.com __ 1b. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: ken love ken@mycoffee.net __ 1c. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: foodiesleuth cubanwahine@hawaii.rr.com __ 1d. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: ken love ken@mycoffee.net __ 1a. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: owanafarm owanafarm@yahoo.com.mx __ 1b. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: foodiesleuth cubanwahine@hawaii.rr.com> <> Agricultural Research Service (ARS) mailto:news@arsgrin.gov <> http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/thelatest.htm. None this time <><><><><><><><><> End of RFN201101B.txt <><><><><><><><><><> Rare Fruit News Online - February 1, 2011 - AKA RFN201102A.txt _____________________________________________________________ <><><><> Notes In Passing - Leo <><><><> Mango fruit that should have ripened months ago are still hanging on some trees. Most will drop off and not ripen properly, possibly because the day length and temperature needs are wrong. Normally, I pick the fruit that should be ripe and allow it to ripen off the tree. However, very few will become sweet, and many will begin to decay rather than ripen. Paul Thomson's T-1 was loaded with large and almost globular fruit. It was grafted on a tree near our kitchen sink window and the view has been beautiful. I have not been able to harvest many that are ripe, I think that any fault was with the weather last year and not the variety of mango. Let us know of your experiences with your slow-to ripen fruit, please. <><><><><><><><><> Table Of Contents <><><><><><><><><> -> -> -> Messages follow the Table Of Contents <- <- <- <><><> New Subscribers <><><> New Subscriber - Ft. Meyers, Florida Ray Bayer New Subscriber - San Leandro, CA Joe Heinz <><><> Readers Write <><><> Use Compost From Composting Toilet in Food Crops? Safe? Oscar Jaitt To: STEVE WRIGHT RE: Atomic Grow Information Vital Scherrer Identify This Plant? PATRICIA FRANCIS RE: Identify This Plant? Oscar Jaitt North County Newsletter January 2011 Leo Manuel Dried Dragon Fruit Juanita Gandara Re: Dried Dragon Fruit See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PitayaFruit/ Leo Manuel To: Juanita Gandara My horticultural season..so far Sainarong Siripen Rasananda How To Grow Blueberries? and Need White Grapes San Diego Eliana Uretsky CRFG - Call for cuttings from our San Diego Area members K Lakomy Water Harvesting w/Brad Lancaster at SDSU 2/9/11 K Lakomy To: Karen Lakomy CRFG Members! Proxy Voting Cards!!! Urgent!! Joe Sabol -> -> -> -> -> -> Messages <- <- <- <- <- <- <><><><><><><><> New Subscribers <><><><><><><><><> Subject: New Subscriber - Ft. Meyers, Florida From: Ray Bayer Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:30:35 -0500 Hi I'd like to subscribe to the newsletter if it's still available. The tropical fruits will be grown in the Ft. Myers (Florida) area. Thanks. Ray Bayer mailto:raybayer@zoominternet.net http://www.pbase.com/jabomano ------------------------------------------------ Subject: New Subscriber - San Leandro, CA From: Joe Heinz Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 02:21:16 -0800 Hi Leo I am Joe Heinz and live in San Leandro CA (San Fran East Bay) with my family. Two young boys Keenan 5 yrs and Peyton 3.5 yrs and my wife Tao. I use to work a little south of where you live in Santee for KCBQ radio - that was a few life times ago. I have a number of fruit trees and am looking forward to many many more. We have: avocado, persimmon, pomegranate, nectaplum, nectarines, plums, figs, cherries, apples, peaches, pears, almonds, apricots, orange, lemon, meyer lemon, Not a lot of rare fruit, so I am looking forward to getting your email. Got your link from the Cal rare fruit growers site. I am looking forward to joining. I have a retail store in Concord CA that sells home and garden stuff. My web page (not a very good one) is www.keenanheinz.com . My email to receive the newsletter is : joe@keenanheinz.com . Sorry to read about the passing of your buddy Paul. Hope you are finding ways to fill that void. Thanks so much Looking forward to getting the newsletter. Joe mailto:joe@keenanheinz.com <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> Subject: Use Compost From Composting Toilet in Food Crops? Safe? From: Oscar Jaitt Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:55:11 -1000 To: STEVE WRIGHT In reply to the question about whether it is safe to use compost from a composting toilet on food crops, first I would like to point out that total yearly output of finished compost from one person's wastes is very small. After total composting you are going to get less than two 5 gallon buckets of compost in one year per person. So it's not like your end product is going to go a long way to fertilizing your food crops unless you are a very big family or have an extremely small garden. What I would recommend is that you use this small amount of compost on your ornamental plants, bypassing any danger and making your flowers happy. The other option is to use output of you compost toilet only on fruit trees at bottom of hole at time of planting. I think vegetable crops, expecially leafy crops, are much more of a danger of being contaminated. As an interesting side note, human manure is not allowed to be used on farms that wish to be certified organic. Oscar mailto:fruitlovers@hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: RE: Atomic Grow Information From: Vital Scherrer Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:18:58 +0000 Hi Leo, Just a short comment about the Atomic Grow. As I had a quick look at their web site, I couldn't find any information about its composition, nor about the exact raw material(s) it is made of - this makes this product rather dubious to me. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who prefers to know exactly the mentioned two informations, before buying such a product. Again, as an alternative, I would highly recommend biochar, as everybody can produce it in situ from any plant waste. And its fertilising and water preserving effect is as durable as the char itself. E.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biochar is a good place to start looking for more info. Cheerios Vital mailto:vital233@hotmail.com Madeira island (Portugal) 33 N Zone 10b Sunset H1 > Subject: Atomic Grow Information > From: Grant Hammond > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 10:12:31 -0500 > > > Hi Leo, > > This information is beneficial to all your subscribers for > whatever they are growing. I know the crazy weather that you are > experiencing in California, but this product actually improves > the overall vitality and weather-proofs crops & plants against > weather damage that effects fruits & crops. Please publish: > Atomic Grow: What makes Atomic Grow so different? Atomic Grow is > made from various US Government FDA approved food stock and food > additives formulated into a colloidal liquid emulsion with > extremely small molecular size particles. These small size > particles cause a change how the product is able to work in the > plant. > www.atomicgrow.info > > Thank You Leo, keep on growing, > > Grant mailto:gbhammond@atomicgrow.info ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Identify This Plant? From: Patricia Francis Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:25:34 -0600 Do you know this plant? I forget to take a pic of the tree. the owner did not know what it was, She said it produce a blue flower and then this fruit. Patricia Francis mailto:mehelda@msn.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: RE: Identify This Plant? From: Oscar Jaitt Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:00:42 -1000 Hi Leo, That is not an edible fruit, it is used for decoration and in flower arrangements. It is Solanum mammosum, called Nipple Fruit, or Titty Fruit, Cow Udder Fruit. I happen to have some plants growing right now. The leaves look similar to datura and have thorns on them. Oscar mailto:fruitlovers@hotmail.com [Readers, the name "Cow Udder Fruit" is apt and you may want to search for images of Solanum mammosum to see. -Leo] ------------------------------------------------ Subject: North County Newsletter January 2011 From: Cat Melvin & Harry Nickerson Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 10:37:13 -0800 Dues Increase It was noted at the board meeting that each member costs the chapter about $4.50 for insurance and each USPS newsletter costs about $10.00 a year. Other costs include supplies, fees, etc. Our dues are lower than those of neighboring chapters and the board voted to raise annual dues to $10.00 for those receiving email-only newsletters, and $15.00 for USPS newsletters. This increase will go into effect immediately; however all chapter members who have already paid their 2011 dues will be grandfathered in. All chapter members will pay dues at the new rates for 2012, except the very few who have already paid their 2012 dues in advance. If you have not yet paid your 2011 dues please do so at your earliest opportunity. Meeting Raffles Due to new CA laws regulating raffles/opportunity drawings, we have registered with the Attorney General. We can now hold drawings, but with strict rules. We have raffles planned for Jan, Feb, Mar, & May meetings. Please bring plants, fruits, garden books, decorative pots, and items for the garden. Fruit wines are always popular. Tickets are $1.00 ea. or 6 for $5.00. Member Passing Longtime CRFG-SD member Ed Hamilton passed away early Jan. Ed attended our summer picnic and also attended joint No. Cnty/SD chapter events such as our Durling Nursery tour and the persimmon picking event. He was knowledgeable about fruit, enjoyed being with people, and was proud of his career helping animals for Joan Embery. The following slate of officers, submitted by the Nominating Committee, was unanimously elected. *Chair: Cory Krell *Vice Chair-Programs: Kathryn Blankinship *Co-Treasurers: Art and Dottie Logan *Co-Secretaries: Cat Melvin and Harry Nickerson Minutes of the No. SD Cnty. CRFG Board Meeting of Jan. 9, 2011 15 minute Q&A session on dormant sprays chaired by Ben Pierce February meeting : Time: Feb. 25 7PM Location: MCC Hort. Building room 7003 Program: Soil improvement, speaker Mary Matava a widely recognized expert March Program: Blueberries; Blueberries, or Organic Gardening, speaker TBA Stone fruit grafting workshop to be held at Ben Pierce*s house April Program: Drought Tolerant Fruit; speaker TBA May Program: Gopher and Animal Pest Management; speaker TBA Subtropical fruit grafting workshop at Harry Nickerson*s house; workshop leader TBA. June Program: Summer Pruning; speaker TBA San Diego County Fair booth, chaired by Carol Graham Cherry Picking July Annual Potluck Picnic and Plant Sale August No meeting Garden Tour at Art & Dottie Logan*s house The programs for Sept., Oct., and Nov. will be firmed up at a future board meeting. The board did decide that we will have 4 outreach events this year: the SD County Fair; the Alta Vista Earth Day; and the spring and fall SD Home and Garden Shows. Cat Melvin & Harry Nickerson Cat Melvin mailto:catinescondido@gmail.com Harry Nickerson mailto:crfg@sbcglobal.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Dried Dragon Fruit From: Juanita Gandara Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 04:36:41 -0500 Hi Leo, My name is Juanita Gandara and I live in San Diego, CA. I thought maybe you can help me. I just tried the Dragon Fruit and I liked it but I am also told that it is dried also. Do you know in what store I can buy this dried dragon fruit or pitaya here in San Diego? I am new here so I don t know where else to go. I bought the fruit at Vons. I am thinking of trying to buy a tree and grow it at home. Hope to hear from you soon. ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Dried Dragon Fruit See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PitayaFruit/ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:36:33 -0800 From: Leo Manuel To: Juanita Gandara Hi Juanita Sometimes Trader Joes has dried dragon fruit aka dried pitaya fruit. The fruit doesn't grow on trees but on a vining cactus. If you go to the pitaya newsgroup or search for PitayaFruit you will be able to see lots of pictures of the fruit and plants. Also, Whole Foods has begun to handle products from Pitaya Plus at http://pitayaplus.com/ which includes dried pitaya. You can also order from that place online. Let me know where you find the dried fruit. PitayaFruit has an address: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PitayaFruit/ Good luck, Leo ------------------------------------------------ From: Sainarong Siripen Rasananda Date: Sun Jan 30 20:38:30 2011 Subject: My horticultural season..so far This season the timing of the climate pattern appears to have shifted somewhat. Rain came a little late and stopped a little late. Cool/cold weather also arrived late and is still here - normally hot weather should be knocking at the door by now but not so this year. But the degree of severity has not changed, the weather has been quite mild so far. But who knows what will happen next. The Thai Meteorological Office has to do an about turn in their weather prediction every few days but I cannot really blame them. I was worried that the late rain may result in vegetative flush instead of flowering for my mangoes. But things went quite well. I had one more flush than usual and desirable. But flowering, although late was satisfactory, not too much not too little. The first batch of flowers has pollinated satisfactorily while the last batch is still flowering. So far so good, but you never know. Surpringly my pitaya/dragonfruit is in great shape. This time last year the pitayas were all right but not great. Then we had a severe spell of drought. Pitayas withered; a lot was severely burnt. The first harvest was almost non-existent, but later harvests were all right - pitaya, in my area, flower three or four times a year. I had thought that the damage would take about a year to be undone. But I was happily wrong. By the end of the cool season, the pitayas are in as good a shape as they can be. I think it is because of the increase in night and morning dews. In the past few years, we had little morning dew, and the weather became hot quite early in the morning. This year there is more dew and it stays cool until late morning. I am thankful for the favourable weather we have been enjoying, especially when I read and see the kind of weather many of you have to endure. Be optimistic but also be preapered for the worst Sainarong ------------------------------------------------ Subject: How To Grow Blueberries? and Need White Grapes San Diego Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:10:05 -0800 (PST) From: Eliana Uretsky I'd like to be in contact with someone who has successfully been growing blueberries organically for at least two years, either in containers or the ground. I'm also curious if anyone has had success amending or mulching with coffee grounds. On another note, I am looking for either a Himrod seedless grape, an Interlaken, or some other American or American hybrid white grape that is a good performer in San Diego. Thank you, Eliana mailto:goeliana@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: CRFG - Call for cuttings from our members Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 17:59:08 -0800 (PST) From: K Lakomy Dear members, Our endowment committee is working with Cuyamaca College propagation class on generating fruiting plants. At our meeting last week I made an announcement that we would need cuttings from members who have different varieties in their yard. That time has come. We would like you to save some of your pruning¹s and spring cleaning so that we can supply the students with enough material and variety. We will need 100 pieces of each type (some varieties can be more). The majority will be for rooting and some will be used as scion wood for grafting. We also want to make sure we are not creating thousands of the same variety so please contact David Yetz first (his phone and email are below). We also need cuttings for root stock that we can root for next year¹s grafting. If you have root suckers or appropriate material we will need these. I have provided a list below but that is not inclusive. If you know of where we can get good supplies of avocado, cherimoya, white sapote, or coffee seeds please let us know. We are also looking for people who happen to have extra room in a refrigerator or know of a commercial walk in we can use for a short time to help us store these cuttings. Ours our getting very full and can¹t hold anymore. If you have something please let David Yetz know (619) 981-3397 or dave@thegarden.org The cuttings need to be about 12 inches long and about Pencil size (slightly larger is ok but not too large). The top of the cutting should be cut at a 45* angle and the bottom should be cut flat to identify which way the cutting gets planted. Place the cuttings in a sealed bag with a damp cloth or tissue (not wet) and put in your refrigerator. Thank you all for your enthusiasm and help. This is an exciting time and if we all provide something the rewards will be enormous. David Long Plant list for propagation students Cuttings: hardwood - Blueberries; Grapes- many varieties; Pomegranate- many varieties; Mulberries (we have enough of the common varieties but need some white mulberries like Oscar); Figs- many varieties; Pitahaya- many varieties; Che; Acerola; Others??? Root stock - Plum rootstock; Apple rootstocks; Others? (Standard, semi-dwarf, dwarf) Seedlings for Root Stock - White sapote; Cherimoyas; Avocado; Others? Cuttings - Herbaceous and Softwood - Passion fruit; Pepino Dulce; Goji Berries; Others??? Maybe Eugenia such as Cherry of the Rio Grande; Grumichama; Surinam Cherry. Others: Strawberries; Banana Pups. ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Water Harvesting w/Brad Lancaster at SDSU 2/9/11 From: K Lakomy Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:24:21 -0800 (PST) To: Karen Lakomy Fellow Members, Brad Lancaster, the seminal speaker on greywater and rainwater harvesting, will be speaking at SDSU on Wednesday February 9, 2011 at the Casa Real (Aztec Center) from 5:30 to 8pm. The event is free to the public. See the attached flier for additional details on the event and http://harvestingrainwater.com for additional details on Brad Lancaster. Enjoy. Karen Lakomy Membership Water Harvesting: Turning Drains into Sponges and Water Scarcity into Water Abundance By Brad Lancaster Wednesday February 9, 2011 Casa Real (Aztec Center) San Diego State University 5:30pm to 8pm € Water harvesting that turns water scarcity into water abundance. € Enhancing local food security and passively cooling cities in summer € Reducing costs of living and energy consumption, € Controlling erosion and averting flooding € Reviving dead waterways and minimizing water pollution € Building community, creating celebration, and more. FREE TO THE PUBLIC! See Websites below for more info: http://ewb.sdsu.edu http://www.harvestingrainwater.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: CRFG Members! Proxy Voting Cards!!! Urgent!! From: Joe Sabol Date: Jan 30, 2011 10:13 PM Dear CRFG Members We need your help!!! In your January/February Fruit Gardener Magazine is an important Proxy Voting Card. We need you to "vote" and then mail that card in ASAP. We are very short of completed Proxy cards and need your help!! Many thanks for your immediate action on this special request, Mail the cards to: Joe Sabol, President CRFG, Inc. 27 Cottonwood Ln. San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 Thank you!! Joe <><><><> Announcements And Web Pages To Consider <><><><> San Diego Chapter California Rare Fruit Growers Meeting: Where: Casa del Prado Building Room 101, Balboa Park When: Fourth Wednesday Of Each Month (Except December) See: http://www.crfgsandiego.org http://nc.crfgsandiego.org For North County CRFG Chapter Meeting http://www.crfg.org/chapters.html For information about ALL CRFG chapters. <><><> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HawaiiFruitlovers/ <><><> [HawaiiFruitlovers] Digest Numbers xx, yy HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com To: HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com> 1a. Surinam cherries Posted by: foodiesleuth cubanwahine@hawaii.rr.com __ 1b. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: ken love ken@mycoffee.net __ 1c. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: foodiesleuth cubanwahine@hawaii.rr.com __ 1d. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: ken love ken@mycoffee.net __ 1a. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: owanafarm owanafarm@yahoo.com.mx __ 1b. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: foodiesleuth cubanwahine@hawaii.rr.com> <> Agricultural Research Service (ARS) mailto:news@arsgrin.gov <> http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/thelatest.htm. None this time <><><><><><><><><> End of RFN201102A.txt <><><><><><><><><><> Rare Fruit News Online - February 15, 2011 - AKA RFN201102B.txt _______________________________________________________________ <><><><> Notes In Passing - Leo <><><><> Most of our deciduous fruit trees are in bloom in San Diego, which is not surprising. However, the blooming of so many mango trees is. And the unriped mango fruit on Keitt and Paul Thomson T-1 are unusual for mid-February. What have you found? Home Depot has fruit trees according to a letter from Karen Lakomy - see below. <><><><><><><><><> Table Of Contents <><><><><><><><><> -> -> -> Messages follow the Table Of Contents <- <- <- <><><> New Subscribers <><><> New Subscriber - Santa Barbara - Wants Banana ID Help Jonathan Lang <><><> Readers Write <><><> Citrus Seminar Feb. 17 (revised information) CE San Diego Papayas Alive Despite Freeze Pat Wolff [HawaiiFruitlovers] Digest Number 44 Hawaii Tropical Fruit Growers Meeting Feb. 16 Oscar Ventura County, S. Santa Barbara Asian Citrus Psyllid Joe Sabol More on Humanure Dan Hemenway Want Beaumont Macadamia Nut Tree Scion Dana Point, CA Jim Wagner South Florida Huge Plant Sale Sat. March 2011 Joel Vinikoor Tropical Rare Fruit Conf at the Fruit & Spice Park 7/11 Cielo & Kevin Home Depot Has Fruiting Plants! K Lakomy CRFG - San Diego City Newsletter - February 2011 Jose Miguel Gallego -> -> -> -> -> -> Messages <- <- <- <- <- <- <><><><><><><><> New Subscribers <><><><><><><><><> Subject: New Subscriber - Santa Barbara - Wants Banana ID Help From: Jonathan Lang Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 02:26:20 -0500 Hi, I would like to receive your newsletter. I think I signed up for this in the past, but I may have been dropped. Here is some info about me: I am Jonathan Lang, in Santa Barbara, CA I have the following trees: avocado, papaya, passion fruit (not really a tree), cherimoya, banana, lemon, lime, mandarin, and dragon fruit. My yard is actually quite small, but well-used with my trees. Wants: I want to grow mangos, and I want to identify the banana trees that I have. They produce wonderful bananas, but I do not remember the variety. Thanks, Jonathan mailto:Jonathan.Lang@sonos.com <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> Subject: Citrus Seminar Feb. 17 (revised information) From: CE San Diego Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:54:27 -0800 Hello everyone, This is a reminder about the upcoming Citrus Research Growers Educational Seminar in Pala on February 17, 2011. Please note that the attached flyer has been revised with some important information. The correct address for the Pala seminar at the Pala Casino Spa Resort is 11154 Hwy. 76 in Pala, CA 92059. Pala is located in San Diego County between Temecula and Escondido and is just 5 miles east of I-15. Also, we are very pleased to add Farm Advisor Blake Sanden to the Pala program! He will be talking about Moisture Sensors and Water Efficiencies. If you can not attend the Pala seminar, you may be interested in the Indio seminar on February 18. The program at Indio will feature some different presenters and topics. For more information on the Indio seminar, please contact Tom Shea at (951) 683-6491 ext. 224 or tshea@ucdavis.edu. Best regards, Gary S. Bender, Ph.D. Farm Advisor Subtropical Horticulture Univ of Calif Coop Ext 151 E. Carmel St San Marcos, CA 92078 mailto:gsbender@ucdavis.edu ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Papayas Alive Despite Freeze From: Pat Wolff Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 14:38:00 -0800 Yay, though the frosts tried, and though the leaves all froze and the top five inches or so rotted, our papayas have leafed out and are growing! Yay! Pat & Maia mailto:partwolff@yahoo.com [Probably best to keep the ground well-drained and not wet in the winter, for papayas. -Leo} ------------------------------------------------ [HawaiiFruitlovers] Digest Number 44 Date: 2 Feb 2011 11:19:26 -0000 Subject: Hawaii Tropical Fruit Growers Meeting Feb. 16 On 2/1/11 1:54 PM, fruitlovers wrote: It is a new year & we have an excellent program planned for our first meeting of the East Hawaii chapter of the Hawaii Tropical Fruit Growers. On Feb. 16, 6:30 pm, at the Komohana Research & Extension Center, Dr. Francis Zee from the Pacific Basin Agricultural Research Center will speak about methods of increasing lychee production as well as the importance of the national plant germplasm bank which preserves genetic material to provide scion, budwood and plant tissue to tropical fruit and nut growers. Please plan to be there as our chapter moves ahead for an exciting new year. Also, we are planning a slightly different refreshment mode -- we would like members to bring samples of their fruit to share with the group. If you have some favorite recipe you would like to make, using what you grow, that would be very welcome. Questions? President Randy Bruckner, mailto:nanrandy@earthlin.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Ventura County, S. Santa Barbara Asian Citrus Psyllid Date: Friday, February 4, 2011 10:17:30 PM From Joe Sabol Bad news!! See: http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/egov/Press_Releases/Press_Release.asp? PRnum=10-080 News Release California Department of Food and Agriculture Media Contacts:Steve Lyle, CDFA Public Affairs, (916) 654-0462, slyle@cdfa.ca.gov ALL OF VENTURA COUNTY, SOUTHERN SANTA BARBARA COUNTY, WESTERN RIVERSIDE COUNTY ADDED TO ASIAN CITRUS PSYLLID QUARANTINE SACRAMENTO, December 31, 2010 - All of Ventura County has been placed under quarantine for the Asian citrus psyllid (ACP) following the detection of two psyllids in the eastern and western portions of the county. The first ACP was detected in a trap in a citrus grove in the La Conchita area, along the coastline. The second was detected in a trap in commercial citrus near the community of Santa Paula, approximately 20 miles east of La Conchita. The quarantine measures for Ventura County also include 312 square miles of Santa Barbara County, from the county line in the south almost to Goleta, and eastward into mountains in the county. Additionally, virtually all of western Riverside County west of the Coachella Valley is now under quarantine following detections of the pest in the Redlands-area. The quarantine prohibits the movement of host nursery stock out of quarantine areas and requires that all citrus fruit be cleaned of leaves and stems prior to moving out of quarantine areas. Residents with backyard citrus trees in quarantine areas are asked to not remove fruit from those areas. CDFA is working with the Citrus Research Board to increase trapping levels in nearby citrus groves in susceptible areas. Agricultural Commissioners' offices in Ventura, Santa Barbara and Riverside counties are also contributing to the cooperative effort to detect any additional ACP. ACP quarantines are now in place in Ventura, San Diego, Imperial, Orange, Los Angeles, San Bernardino and Riverside counties. The pest is of grave concern because it can carry the disease huanglongbing (HLB). All citrus and closely related species are susceptible hosts for both the insect and the disease. There is no cure once a tree becomes infected. The diseased tree will decline in health until it dies. HLB has not been detected in trapped Asian citrus psyllids or trees in California. The state of Florida first detected the pest in 1998 and the disease in 2005, and the two have now been detected in all 30 citrus producing counties in that state. The pest and the disease are also present in Louisiana, Georgia and South Carolina. The states of Texas, Mississippi and Alabama have detected the pest but not the disease. Residents in the area who think they may have seen the pest are urged to call the Pest Hotline at 1-800-491-1899. For more information on the Asian citrus psyllid and huanglongbing disease visit: http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/acp/. Follow CDFA News on Twitter and Facebook California Department of Food and Agriculture Office of Public Affairs 1220 N St., Ste. 214, Sacramento, CA 95814 916-654-0462, www.cdfa.ca.gov Joe Sabol mailto:jsabol@calpoly.edu ------------------------------------------------ Subject: More on Humanure From: Dan Hemenway Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 06:29:07 -0500 (EST) Hi Leo: The discussion on humanure seems to be characterized by guesses and (understandably) cultural prejudice. Forgive me if, in addition to responding to prior comments I repeat information that was ignored. €€€ The comment was made that people will only produce a couple of buckets of humanure a year (disregarding urine output, I suppose). 1) It happens that I measured my output a few years ago based on before and after use of the bathroom scales. It ran about 1.5 pounds a day, or roughly 500 pounds a year. I'd hate to try to lift those buckets. I'm an old guy and eat no more (probably less) than 1/3 of what I ate when I was half my current age. I think we can agree that the production of manure is roughly in proportion to to amount of food eaten. So my wife and I produce roughly a half ton of manure annually, not a negligible amount. In proper composting, either in an expensive composting toilet or in an almost free outdoor pile composting system, one adds considerable litter with a high carbon to nitrogen ratio (C:N). This prevents most nitrogen loss during composting, particularly important since we do not want leaching in an outdoor pile. The best systems also advise adding other compostables to the mix--so we get a substantial compost pile. 2) Actually the amount of fertilizer produced is immaterial. The point is to cycle nutrients back to the soil too produce more food. If one eats hardly anything, fewer nutrients need be replaced. €€€ We have all been taught that our bodily products are unclean. If they are clean when they go in, and we are healthy, they should be clean when they come out. If we are unhealthy, the materials need extra care in composting. However, a reasonable job of composting with retention times of a year, more or less, before returning to the soil, is far more effective than the results obtained by sewage treatment plants. (They also have the problem of concentrating a resource that should be dispersed, a societal inclination reflecting one of several massive flaws in our so-called 'culture.') I previously mentioned Joe Jenkin's The Humanure Handbook. Apparently, no one bothered to consult the book, written by someone with decades of studying the issue and practicing humanure composting, even though it is a free download. (We have published the essence of the book in our journal, along with a review of other methods, but you would have to pay to get that.) In it you will find charts of different pathogens possible in humanure and their death rate at various combinations of time and temperature. There are also charts of temperature measurements of Joe's humanure compost pile throughout the year in Pennsylvania (cold winters). Joe has actually researched the information he presents--he isn't guessing or basing comments on how he feels about manure, but on facts. He has searched for medical problems directly attributable to the use of composted humanure on crops €€€ One does not have to be a genius to see the logical flaw in continually extracting nutrients from the soil, disposing of them in a way that creates problematic concentrations, while replacing (only some) nutrients from finite sources. While nitrogen is inexhaustable as an atmospheric gas, the energy required to convert it to a useful fertilizer is not. Worldwide, people are talking about 'peak phosphorous.' I do not recall the status of potassium. And so forth. Yet millions of people have cycled humanure back to their food crops with excellent results. The movement worldwide is to return to this ancient practice. €€€ There is obviously no problem in fertilizing ornamentals with composted humanure, but that is more of a disposal solution, and does not complete natural cycles. Squeamish people often use humanure compost on tree crops. If one dresses the compost with mulch (on top), even drops do not come in contact with the dreaded human 'waste'. (It is only waste when we waste it.) €€€ Government-issued 'organic' standards reflect no more wisdom than any other government regulation. They are geared to the industrial model of farming, the failure of which has begun to be obvious. (FAO reports that due to the inelasticity of the industrial model, worldwide crop shortfalls and outright failures last year, a by-product of climate change, will be reflected in absolute food shortages experienced by many people, vastly more in the aggregate than the population of the US.) Organic farming is not sustainable, as practiced. It will exhaust its resource base only somewhat slower than 'conventional' farming. The very requirement that humanure cannot be used in a certified organic food alone, guarantees its insustainability. Sorry about the rant. Dan Hemenway Barking Frogs Permaculture www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org mailto:permacltur@aol.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Want Beaumont Macadamia Nut Tree Scion Dana Point, CA From: Jim Wagner Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 17:14:45 -0800 Hello Leo, Thanks for all the Great Info in you Email/Newsletter! I have a Cate Macadamia Nut Tree (Just Planted), I would like to graft a Scion from a mature Beaumont Macadamia nut tree, to have a dual Variety, Do you know where I can get a good Beaumont Scion locally? Cheers, Jim Wagner mailto:jim@qualspec.net Dana Point, Califorina ------------------------------------------------ Subject: South Florida Huge Plant Sale Sat. March 2011 From: Joel Vinikoor Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 08:23:17 -0500 Hi Leo, For those subscribers that live in south Florida the Rare Fruit Council-Palm Beach Chapter will hold a huge plant sale on Saturday March 19, 2011 at the South Florida Fairgrounds in West Palm Beach, FL from 9 AM to 1 PM. There will be a large selection of mangos, bananas, avocados, citrus, lychees, canistel, jackfruit & 100's of other tropical fruit trees. Arrive early for the best selection. Any questions email me at mailto:joelv@bellsouth.net Thanks, Joel Vinikoor mailto:joelv@bellsouth.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Tropical Rare Fruit Conf at the Fruit & Spice Park 7/11 From: Cielo & Kevin Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:08:10 -0800 (PST) Hi Leo, The Tropical Rare Fruit Conference is held every 3 years. The International Mango Festival is held annually on the 2nd weekend (Saturday & Sunday) of July. Although the International Mango Festival is not part of of the Conference, attendees can attend the festival on Saturday July 9th on their own. The field trips, nursery hopping, fruit tasting and meeting and making new friends are the most enjoyable part of the conference. Kevin and I will definitely be going again. Cielo mailto:cielonkevin@yahoo.com SAVE THE DATE The Tropical Fruit and Vegetable Society of the Redland. Inc. and Miami Dade County Fruit & Spice Park Proudly Presents 2011 Rare Fruit Conference Pre-Conference Activities Wednesday, July 6, 2011. Conference and Field Trips Thurs, 7/7/11 to Sunday, 7/10/11 Post Conference Tour Monday, July 11, 2011 Confirmed Speakers Markku Hakkinen FLS KEYNOTE SPEAKER University of Helsinki Botanical Garden Visiting Researcher TOPICS: Current Status of Wild Musaceae (banana) Species Musa Species Suitable for Outdoor & indoor Cultivation in the USA Richard Wallace, PhD. Professor of Chemistry Department of Chemistry and Physics Armstrong Atlantic State University TOPIC: Development & Evaluation of Bananas for Non-Tropical Climates Nigel Smith, PhD. Professor of Geography University of Florida TOPIC: Cinderella Fruits of the Amazon Fruit and Spice Park 24801 S.W. 187th Avenue, Homestead, Florida 33033 Website: www.fruitandspicepark.org Phone: 305-247-5727 / Fax: 305-245-3369 E-mail: www.fruitandspicepark@miamidade.gov ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Home Depot Has Fruiting Plants! From: K Lakomy Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:24:09 -0800 (PST) Fellow Members, The following information has been provided by Tom Del Hotal: The Home Depot in Lemon Grove currently has a great selection of large reasonably priced fruiting plants. There are 5 gallon grafted mangos of the varieties "Timotayo" and "Gold Nugget" selling for $50.00. "Timotayo" is a California developed variety that has excellent 12-16 oz fiberless fruit and is resistant to powdery mildew. This mango shipment has already sold out, however, there is another shipment coming on Friday. If interested, do not delay. Mangos "Valencia Pride" and "Glen" are expected in March. There are numerous other fruiting plants currently in stock, including "Frederick" passion fruit, blueberries (2 gallon for $15.00), goji Berry (2 gallon for $17.00), "Nazmetz" pineapple guava, "Big Jim" loquat, dragonfruit and others too numerous to mention. Check it out! Other Home Depot locations may or may not be receiving these varieties. This information is accurate for the Lemon Grove, CA location only. Bye for now and good luck shopping! Karen Lakomy mailto:karencrfg@pacbell.net CRFG Membership ------------------------------------------------ Subject: CRFG - San Diego City Newsletter - February 2011 From: "Jose Miguel Gallego" Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:26:00 -0800 CRFG - San Diego San Diego Chapter http://crfgsandiego.org/Photos/2010%20Cherimoya/cherimoya2.jpg The program for February Meeting is: Cherimoyas ­ Varieties, Tasting and Grafting Wednesday, February 23, 7:00 PM Room 101, Casa del Prado, Balboa Park ³Join us to learn about the Cherimoya (believed to be native to the inter-Andean valleys of Ecuador, Colombia and Peru), the varieties grown in San Diego and the opportunity to sample some of them.² For our March meeting, we will have: Deciduous Fruit Tree Grafting Wednesday, March 23, 7:00 PM Room 101, Casa del Prado, Balboa Park Hope you can join us at our next meeting! José M. Gallego mailto:JMGallego@CRFGSanDiego.org Public Relations, Past-Chairman CRFG, San Diego Chapter - CRFG, Inc. is the largest amateur fruit-growing organization in the world with members in 48 states and 38 countries. It has 22 chapters, 19 in California, plus chapters in Arizona and Texas. Among its services is a roster of specialists available to answer members¹ questions, a seed bank that collects and sells exotic seeds, and a book service that offers publications at special reduced prices. CRFG, a non-profit organization, was founded in 1968 by Paul H. Thomson and John M. Riley. About California Rare Fruit Growers, San Diego Chapter The San Diego Chapter of the CRFG is the only botanical group in San Diego that focuses on the growing of rare and unusual fruit. <><><><> Announcements And Web Pages To Consider <><><><> San Diego Chapter California Rare Fruit Growers Meeting: Where: Casa del Prado Building Room 101, Balboa Park When: Fourth Wednesday Of Each Month (Except December) See: http://www.crfgsandiego.org http://nc.crfgsandiego.org For North County CRFG Chapter Meeting http://www.crfg.org/chapters.html For information about ALL CRFG chapters. <> Agricultural Research Service (ARS) mailto:news@arsgrin.gov <> http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/thelatest.htm. None this time <><><><><><><><><> End of RFN201102B.txt <><><><><><><><><><> Rare Fruit News Online - March 1, 2011 - AKA RFN201103A.txt ___________________________________________________________ <><><><> Notes In Passing - Leo <><><><> Weather in San Diego in last days of February has been surprising. My rain gauge shows 5 inches of rain during the past week, with several days including hail! The temperature dropped into the 30s for several consecutive nights. Fortunately for me, no damage was noted to my lychee, longan, or cherimoya trees. However, usually neighboring parts of the county get significantly colder. Did you sustain damage? Deciduous fruit trees, such as early peaches, apricots, and plumcots have bloomed during the rainy period and may set fewer fruits, consequently. <><><><><><><><> Table Of Contents (TOC) <><><><><><><><> -> -> -> Messages follow the Table Of Contents <- <- <- <><><> New Subscribers (TOC) <><><> New Subscriber, San Diego County, Want Fruit Tree Ideas Bill Tse <><><> Readers Write (TOC) <><><> Identification of banana cultivars Holzinger To: Jonathan.Lang@sonos.com RE: Identification of banana cultivars Jonathan Lang My Pots For Sale tommcapp@aol.com Cherimoya Annual Meeting 3/5/11 Oceanside Patricia Valdivia Fwd: The Dekopon (Tangerine) arrives in California Kiit CRFG North San Diego County Chapter Newletter Feb 2011 CRFG To: CRFG, S D Chapter Annual Rare Fruit Plant Sale, 4/23/2011 Jos Miguel Gallego Mango Tree Recommendation ­ Costa Mesa, CA (92626)?? Raj Subject: Dragon Fruit Cuttings Wanted Mohan, Prabakar CRFG Activities in San Diego March 2011 Jose Miguel Gallego -> -> -> -> -> -> Messages <- <- <- <- <- <- <><><><><><><><> New Subscribers <><><><><><><><><> Subject: New Subscriber, San Diego County, Want Fruit Tree Ideas From: Bill Tse Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:32:01 -0500 Hi I am Bill Tse and have just bought a property in Solana Beach/Del Mar area and want ideas for fruit trees. I am just west of I-5. Thanks Bill mailto:weiweidc@gmail.com <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> Subject: Identification of banana cultivars From: Holzinger Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:00:56 -0800 To: Jonathan.Lang@sonos.com Hello Jonathan, To identify your banana cultivars you should contact Doug Richardson in the Landscape (Horticulture) department at Santa Barbara City College. Good luck, Bob Holzinger mailto:Holzinger@roadrunner.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: RE: Identification of banana cultivars From: "Jonathan Lang" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:33:42 -0500 Hi Bob, I finally got around to looking for Doug at SBCC and I don't see him listed as Faculty/Staff (http://www.sbcc.edu/environmentalhorticulture/facultystaff/). Do you have an email address you could forward? Or if you know him, Could you forward him my email address? Thanks, Jonathan mailto:Jonathan.Lang@sonos.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: My Pots For Sale From: tommcapp@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:54:01 -0500 (EST) In lots of 1000, I have 2 gal. pots at 12 cents each, 3 gal. pots at 15 cents each, 4 gal. pots at 20 cents each, 15 gal. pots at $ 2.00 each, 20 gal. pots (new) at $ 6.50 each and I also have 1 gal. pots at 10 cents each. Most are 3 gal. Price for pot in sizes below 15 gal please add 10 cents per pot. Thanks, Tom mailto:tommcapp@aol.com Cell 954-275-7478 -----Original Message----- From: Leo Manuel To: Tom Cappellazo Sent: Mon, Feb 21, 2011 10:53 am Subject: Pots For Sale The North County Newsletters says: "If anyone needs 3 or 5 gallon pots in lots of 1,000, he is selling them for $.10 and $.15 ea." Where are you located? I know several of us want to buy some. Do you have other larger sizes for sale as well? Leo Manuel ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Cherimoya Annual Meeting 3/5/11 Oceanside From: Patricia Valdivia Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 16:02:45 -0800 (PST) I am sending you the following information about the Cherimoya meeting in case you are interested.This is their annual meeting. Pat Valdivia Cherimoya Annual Meeting Saturday, March 5, 2011 Mira Costa College 1 Barnard Ave., Oceanside Rooms 3449, 34450 (Aztlen) student center 10:00 am. Registration Bring cherimoya seed and budwood to share. 10:15 Introduction 10:30 Mira Costa Horticulture programs--Jason Kubrock 10:50 Status of Cherimoya collection in Irvine--Dr. Gary Bender 11:10 Break 11:20 Alta Vista Garden: Additional Cherimoya planting- Art & Dottie Logan 11:40 Varietal discussion Panel---Q. & A. 12:15 pm Lunch provided 1:00 Business meeting 1:30 Tour of Mira Costa Orchard Driving directions to Mira Costa College from Hwy 78, take College Ave North past Vista Way to the next signal (Barnard) Turn Left .4 miles to Mira Costa Lot 3B. Reservations @ $25.00_______________________ Students @ $15.00_______________________ Total _______________________ Make checks payable to California Cherimoya Association and must be received by March 1, 2011. Send to: CCA, c/o J. Bathgate PO Box 2262 Valley Center, CA 92082 Questions?? Contact Jim Bathgate, (760) 749-3359 or mailto:JLBathgate@sbcglobal.net. Regards, Jim Bathgate mailto:JLBathgate@sbcglobal.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Fwd: The Dekopon Tangerine arrives in California From: Kiit Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:52:51 -0500 Hi Leo, This is an article from LA times yesterday. Do know where I can buy a tree? Herminio mailto:dracademia@aol.com The Dekopon arrives in California A consortium of growers secretly began harvesting the flavorful fruit, which originated in Japan. It is being marketed here under the name Sumo. By David Karp, Special to the Los Angeles Times February 17 2011 I still remember the first time I tasted the legendary fruit the Dekopon. Think of a huge mandarin, easy to peel and seedless, with firm flesh that melts in the mouth, an intense sweetness balanced by refreshing acidity, and a complex, lingering mandarin orange aroma. I've tasted more than 1,000 varieties of citrus, and to me the Dekopon is the most delicious. The complete article can be viewed at: http://www.latimes.com/features/food/la-fo-dekopon-20110217,0,3259483.story [Google to find information such as "Tried a sample that was offered - the pith was practically non-existent, and the flesh was silky and very juicy. It really was incredibly sweet (maybe even too sweet - I like some acidity). Bought two - will have to try them in a few days when they're ready. The fruit may be available at Asian markets." -Leo] ------------------------------------------------ Subject: CRFG North San Diego County Chapter Newletter Feb 2011 From: "CRFG" To: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:31:57 -0800 Subject: CRFG North San Diego County Chapter Newletter Feb 2011 Members Grafting Workshop Please join us on Arbor Day, March 12, at 9:30am for a fun and informative lesson on grafting fruit trees. Weve ordered 25 EMLA- 26 Apple, 25 St. Julian-A Prunus (peach, nectarine, apricot, and plum compatible) and 25 OHxF333 Pear rootstock. Rootstock will be sold for $5.00 each which includes a 1-gallon pot with soil and a hands-on grafting lesson. Please bring any apple, prunus, or pear scion wood you would like to have grafted or share with others. Grafting supplies will be provided.This workshop is only for members of the chapter in good standing with CRFG Inc. There will be no exceptions made and we will be checking membership status when you RSVP to Dottie Logan at (760) 806-6678. You will also be required to sign a liability waiver before we start that morning. CRFG Inc., the Chapter, our Chapter Board, and/or the Pierces will not assume any liability for any injuries that may occur. Please bring refreshments to share. If you would like to volunteer to help that day with setup/breakdown, grafting trees for club plant sales, etc.) please call Ben Pierce at (760) 412-9614. This date is dependent on our rootstock arriving as promised the week of March 12th. If weather conditions prevent shipping, the workshop may be delayed. The class will still be held if there is light rain that day. You must RSVP to Dottie to attend; well call you if there are any changes in plans. Come to: 713 Ruskin PL San Marcos CA 92069. Enter at backyard gate on right side of house. Well have signs up at the corner of Ruskin & Crimson DR, in front of the house, and at the gate directing you where to go. Park any where you like along Ruskin PL. Any questions call Ben (760) 412-9614. For more information about the rootstock we are using go to: http://www.raintreenursery.com/catalog/producttype.cfm?producttype=ROOT Thanks to Tom Cappellazo (tommcapp@aol.com) for his donation of approximately 200 1-gal. pots for our grafting workshop! We have plenty now for the workshop. If anyone needs 3 or 5 gallon pots in lots of 1,000, he is selling them for $.10 and $.15 ea. Chapter Dues $10.00 for newsletter via email $15.00 for newsletter via USPS. Please pay Dottie Logan at the next meeting or mail to her at 702 Berkeley Way, Vista CA 92084. Chapter Board Members Cory Krell Chair 760-563-2734 CRFG@Globalinfo.com Kathryn Blankinship Vice Chair/Programs 760-518-9922 kblankinship1@cox.net Art & Dottie Logan Co-Treasurers 760-806-6678 art.logan77@gmail.com Harry Nickerson Co-Secretary 760-726-2083 harnick@sbcglobal.net Cat Melvin Co-Secretary 760-751-1566 catinescondido@gmail.com Spring Home/Garden Show Our club is participating in the 26th Annual Spring Home/Garden Show, http://www.springhomegardenshow.com/, one of the most important annual garden events in San Diego, at the Del Mar Fairgrounds March 4, 5, 6, 2011. June Andersen is coordinating and needs volunteers for 4-hr. shifts at our booth. There is no admission cost for workers so you can view the show before or after your shift. Call June at (760) 729-3501 to volunteer. Hours are sometime Thurs. for set up, Fri. 11-6, Sat. 10-6, Sun. 10-6. We also need fruits to display, especially a fingered citron/Buddhas Hand (its always an attention- getter!). Below is a discount coupon for others to use. CRFG North San Diego County Chapter Harry Nickerson 1815 Yettford RD Vista CA 92083 http://nc.crfgsandiego.org Calendar Mar. 3, Thurs. 7am-5pm 1st Southern CA Organic Production Conference at San Marcos Civic Ctr. See more: https://ucanr.org/sitebuilder/filegroups/calendar09-Feb-11-6039/27440.pdf. Mar. 4-6, Fri.-Sun. - SD Home & Garden Show @ Del Mar Fairgrounds Mar. 12, Sat. 9am Members Only Grafting Workshop @ Ben Pierce's Mar. 12, Sat. 8:30am-1pm Volunteers work party @ SDBGs (Quail) Fruit Garden Mar. 13, Sun. 2-5pm CRFG-NSDC Board Meeting @ San Marcos Library Mar. 18, Fri. 7pm CRFG-NSDC Chapter Meeting @ MiraCosta College, Oceanside, Hort Bldg., Rm. 7003 - TBA Mar. 19-20, Sat.-Sun. 9am-5pm Herb Fest, TomatoMania!, and plant sale @SD Botanic Garden (Quail). See more @www.sdbgarden.org. CRFG mailto:crfg@sbcglobal.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: CRFG, S D Chapter Annual Rare Fruit Plant Sale, 4/23/2011 From: Jos Miguel Gallego Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:47:29 -0800 Description: CRFG, S D Chapter Annual Rare Fruit Plant Sale, 4/23/2011 Contact Information: Jos M. Gallego at (858) 876-CRFG (2734) JMGallego@CRFGSanDiego.org SAN DIEGO, Feb. 24, 2011 -- The San Diego Chapter of the California Rare Fruit Growers, Inc. (CRFG) announced today that will hold its Annual Rare Fruit Plant Sale in San Diego on April 23, 2011. The sale will take place 9:00 AM to 4:00 PM on the large patio outside of Casa del Prado at Balboa Park. This plant sale is a unique event which makes available unusual and rare fruit trees to the public. The plants available are plants that have been proven to product excellent quality fruit in San Diego. San Diegans can grow many types of exotic fruit including jujube, white sapote, feijoa, dragon fruit, mango, longan, jaboticaba, tropical guava, passionfruit, goji berry, excellent bananas and ice cream bean among others. According to Tom Del Hotal, Chairman of the California Rare Fruit Growers, San Diego Chapter, We want to share the results of many, many years of testing what fruit can be grown in San Diego with anyone who has an interest in growing unusual fruit and unusual varieties of more common fruit. We also are striving to make these plants available at a reasonable price, not only from plants grown by our Chapter but also from local participating nurseries. During this event, Tom continues, we will have Chapter members available to answer questions and provide advice on a one-to-one basis. Recommendations on the types and varieties of fruit that can be grown, how to develop and care for a home fruit orchard, and the care of your fruit trees will be available to anyone interested in growing their own fruit. We will also be holding two - one hour seminars with slide presentations during the day to introduce the wonderful types of fruit that can be grown in San Diego and to answer questions about growing these fruit. The most frequently asked question to CRFG members is: What is a rare fruit? Jos M. Gallego, Former Chairman, answers the question, A fruit is considered to be rare because it is: - not normally grown in a particular area. In our case, Jos explains, the Jaboticaba is a rare fruit tree in San Diego, but not in Brazil where is considered their national fruit. - if it is considered scarce or about to be extinct, such as Selma, the unusual pink cherimoya. - a fruit that has unusual properties, is considered rare such as the Miracle Fruit which changes the sense of taste in interesting ways. - a new species that has recently been introduced or discovered (and example the Tango mandarin from UCD at Riverside), or - a species that is not been grown commercially. This Rare Fruit Plant Sale is a fundraiser to help support our Chapter's educational and Community projects. Hours & Admission: Plant Sale Hours: Saturday, April 23, 9:00 AM to 4:00 p.m. Admission to the plant sale is free. Cash or checks will be accepted for payment; we are unable to accept credit cards for payment. For further information on the Rare Fruit Plant Sale or on the San Diego Chapter of the California Rare Fruit Growers, please contact Jos M. Gallego, Chapter Public Relations and Past-Chairman, mailto:JMGallego@CRFGSanDiego.org or at (858) 876-CRFG (2734), visit our website at www.CRFGSanDiego.org or our live discussion forums at Forums.CRFGSanDiego.org. California Rare Fruit Growers, Inc. is the largest amateur fruit-growing organization in the world with members in 48 states and 38 countries. It has 22 chapters, 19 in California, plus chapters in Arizona and Texas. Among its services is a roster of specialists available to answer members questions, a seed bank that collects and sells exotic seeds, and a book service that offers publications at special reduced prices. CRFG, a non-profit organization, was founded in 1968 by Paul H. Thomson and John M. Riley. The San Diego Chapter of the California Rare Fruit Growers is the only botanical group in San Diego that focuses on the growing of rare and unusual fruit. Jos Miguel Gallego mailto:JMGallego@CRFGSandiego.org ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Mango Tree Recommendation ­ Costa Mesa, CA (92626)?? From: Raj Date: Tue, February 22, 2011 11:31:42 AM Hi, I am very much interested in growing a mango tree. Please recommend top varieties which can do well here. The lowest temp it goes down to here is 40 F. A few in mind I have are Glen, Irwin, Kent, Edward, Cogshall or Choc-Anon. Recommendations and source please. Thank you so much. Regards, Raj mailto:pai_osu@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Dragon Fruit Cuttings Wanted From: "Mohan, Prabakar" Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 22:06:35 -0600 I am a new member to the "yahoo pitaya group" but one who is keenly following the deveoplments around pitaya fruit cultivation for two years now. I've been trying to get a few cuttings of the red/majenta color flesh cultivar to try them out and when I reached to Mr.Edgar Valdivia, he suggested that I get in touch with you.I am based in Dallas, TX and would like to know if you can share/sell some cuttings if I can send a pre-paid shipping label. Appreciate your time and help. Regards Prabakar Mohan mailto:prabakarmohan@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: CRFG Activities in San Diego March 2011 From: "Jose Miguel Gallego" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 14:13:07 -0800 In March 2011, CRFG, San Diego Chapter 23-Mar Deciduous Fruit Tree Grafting-A presentation on how to graft deciduous fruit trees followed by hands on demonstration in Balboa Park 3/1, Tue. 6:30pm: Board Meeting, Water Conservation Garden in El Cajon. 3/3, Thurs. 7am-5pm: 1st Southern CA Organic Production Conference at San Marcos Civic Ctr. See more at https://ucanr.org/sitebuilder/filegroups/calendar09-Feb-11-6039/27440.pdf. 3/4 - 3/6: Spring Home and Garden Show, Del Mar Fairgrounds. 3/12, Sat. 9am: SD Botanic Garden Work Party. 3/12, Sat. Noon: Kniffings Nursery Educational Seminars and Carne Asada Potluck 3/18, Fri. 7pm: CRFG-NSDC Chapter Meeting at MiraCosta College, Oceanside, Hort Bldg., Rm. 7003 - TBA 3/19-20, Sat.-Sun. 9am-5pm: Herb Fest, TomatoMania!, and plant sale at the SD Botanic Garden (Quail). See more at www.sdbgarden.org. Jose mailto:JMGallego@CRFGSandiego.org <><><><> Announcements And Web Pages To Consider <><><><> San Diego Chapter California Rare Fruit Growers Meeting: Where: Casa del Prado Building Room 101, Balboa Park When: Fourth Wednesday Of Each Month (Except December) See: http://www.crfgsandiego.org http://nc.crfgsandiego.org For North County CRFG Chapter Meeting http://www.crfg.org/chapters.html For information about ALL CRFG chapters. <><><> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HawaiiFruitlovers/ <><><> [HawaiiFruitlovers] Digest Numbers xx, yy HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com To: HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com> 1a. Surinam cherries Posted by: foodiesleuth cubanwahine@hawaii.rr.com __ 1b. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: ken love ken@mycoffee.net __ 1c. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: foodiesleuth cubanwahine@hawaii.rr.com __ 1d. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: ken love ken@mycoffee.net __ 1a. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: owanafarm owanafarm@yahoo.com.mx __ 1b. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: foodiesleuth cubanwahine@hawaii.rr.com> <> Agricultural Research Service (ARS) mailto:news@arsgrin.gov <> http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/thelatest.htm. None this time <><><><><><><><><> End of RFN201103A.txt <><><><><><><><><><> Rare Fruit News Online - March 15, 2011 - AKA RFN201103B.txt ____________________________________________________________ <><><><> Notes In Passing - Leo <><><><> Great spring weather makes it hard to stay cooped up in the house for long. I think it is a good time to begin air layering projects on lychee, longan, and guavas. They are the ones I usually tackle. What other trees do you layer? I have a good jujube that was either air or ground layered, because the suckers all come true to the parent. I got it years ago from an old-timer George Moersberger. I am looking for a source of a seedless Asian guava to provide fruit sooner than the small one I am getting soon. Siam or Crystal are reported to be good varieties. <><><><><><><><> Table Of Contents (TOC) <><><><><><><><> -> -> -> Messages follow the Table Of Contents <- <- <- <><><> New Subscribers (TOC) <><><> None this time <><><> Readers Write (TOC) <><><> "He Keeps Ancient Apples Fresh and Crisp" Joe Sabol Free Meeting: Citrus and the Diaprepes Root Weevil "CE San Diego" The Sweetest Mango - Anwar Ratol Leo Manuel San Diego CRFG to Donate over 230 Fruit Trees to Local Schools and Community Gardens "Jose Miguel Gallego" Re: Crystal or Seedless White Asian Guava - Available? "Frankie's Nursery" Attend 2011 Rare Fruit Conference July 2011 Florida Joe Sabol The plant sale is near and we need your help David Long GRAFTING WORKSHOP San Diego Saturday, March 19 9:30 a.m. K Lakomy <><><><><><><><> New Subscribers <><><><><><><><><> None this time <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> Subject: "He Keeps Ancient Apples Fresh and Crisp" From: Joe Sabol Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 20:38:10 -0800 (PST) Dear Apple Grafters of America: Please read the N.Y. Times Article below! Joe NY Times, He Keeps Ancient Apples Fresh and Crisp By ANNE RAVER Published: March 2, 2011 PITTSBORO, N.C. ON a cold sunny morning last month, Creighton Lee Calhoun Jr. stood in his orchard, surrounded by 300 heirloom apple trees, and took some cuttings, or scions, to graft onto rootstock for new trees. The rest of the article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/03/garden/03garden.html?pagewanted=all John Valenzuela, Chairperson Golden Gate Chapter, CRFG e-mail: mailto:johnvalenzuela@hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Free Meeting: Citrus and the Diaprepes Root Weevil From: "CE San Diego" Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 11:53:20 -0800 Hello everyone, You are invited to attend a free meeting on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 in Encinitas. We will be presenting an update on the work we have been doing and the status of the Diaprepes Root Weevils which have been affecting citrus trees and ornamentals. 2.25 DPR Continuing Education Credits are available. Please Join Us Wednesday, March 16, 2011 Encinitas Community Library Meeting Room 540 Cornish Drive, Encinitas, CA 92024 9:30-9:45 am Registration (free) 9:45-10:30 am Research with Diaprepes Root Weevil, with an Emphasis on Classical Biological Control 10:30-11:15 am University of California Agriculture and Natural Resources Why Are The Citrus Trees Along The Coast Dying? An Update On The Diaprepes Root Weevil Dr. Joe Morse mailto:cesandiego@ucdavis.edu For More Information Contact Dr. Loretta Bates (760) 752-4723 Note: 2.25 DPR Continuing Education Credits Available ------------------------------------------------ Subject: The Sweetest Mango - Anwar Ratol From: Leo Manuel Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 16:36:49 -0800 The Sweetest Mango Published on Wednesday, March 2, 2011, by Sarah Perry Lucky Fatima's favorite mango, the anwar ratol, has just been approved for export to the United States. It has been demonstrated to be the sweetest mango by "scientific sweetness measurements." Great news! "This is such a delicious mango. I can't wait to eat some," she says. "Now we USians will have access to Alfonsos and anwar ratols, which in my opinion are the two best types of mangoes! Yay!" However, luckyfatima's favorites may not be universal: "people from Alphonso growing regions might shun the langra and the anwar ratol and vice versa. There is mango rivalry from region to region," she says. http://www.chow.com/digest/75111/the-sweetest-mango/?tag=nl.e356 ------------------------------------------------ Subject: San Diego CRFG to Donate over 230 Fruit Trees to Local Schools and Community Gardens From: "Jose Miguel Gallego" Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 14:35:11 -0800 San Diego CRFG to Donate over 230 Fruit Trees to Local Schools and Community Gardens! SAN DIEGO, CA, Mar. 5, 2011 The San Diego Chapter of CRFG, Inc. announced today the donation of over 230 fruit trees to local schools and community gardens as part of its support to the San Diego community. This is a unique event in which unusual and rare fruit trees will be made available to our community. The trees are proven varieties which produce excellent quality fruit in the San Diego climate. According to Tom Del Hotal, Chairman of the California Rare Fruit Growers, San Diego Chapter, Our Chapter of the California Rare Fruit Growers is very excited to be able to support the school garden programs and community garden projects in San Diego by being able to provide fruit trees to them at no charge. Tom explains, We feel that providing fruit trees appropriate to our climate will benefit these gardens and schools by not only providing delicious and healthy fruit, but also by helping to educate the children and adults who care for these trees as to what wonderful fruit (that) we can grow in San Diego. When Tom was asked why now? He enthusiastically replied: We feel that in this economy, this time of green awareness, and this time of (the) decreasing resources of land and water (that we have) in our county, growing our own healthy fruit not only makes sense but conserves our natural resources. By providing these trees, we hope that we can educate and inspire a new generation and an ever increasing population to grow their own fruit (trees). This event is the result of many volunteer hours by members of the San Diego Chapter of the California Rare Fruit as well as from donations received to help support the Chapter's educational and community projects. Other ongoing and future projects include the redevelopment of the plant collections at the San Diego Botanical Garden (formerly Quail Gardens), the realization of the South Bay Botanical Garden at Southwestern College, and the support of and participation in (the) horticulture classes at Southwestern and Cuyamaca Colleges. Additional donations of fruit trees to community gardens, school gardens and non-profit groups are anticipated. Look for the California Rare Fruit Growers public outreach and education booths at various community events such as the San Diego Home and Garden Shows, the Earth Fair at Balboa Park, the San Diego County Fair, and the San Diego Master Gardener Seminars among others. Interested parties are welcomed to request an application for trees by emailing Erik Collins, Community Outreach Chairman at CommunityOutreach@CRFGSanDiego.org or calling (858) 876-CRFG (2734) The date and place of distribution of the donated trees to approved applicants will be announced on Wednesday March 16. For further information on the San Diego Chapter of the California Rare Fruit Growers, please contact Jos M. Gallego, Chapter Public Relations and Past-Chairman, JMGallego@CRFGSanDiego.org or at (858) 876-CRFG (2734) or visit our website at www.CRFGSanDiego.org or our live discussion forums at Forums.CRFGSanDiego.org. About California Rare Fruit Growers CRFG, Inc. is the largest amateur fruit-growing organization in the world with members in 48 states and 38 countries. It has 22 chapters, 19 in California, plus chapters in Arizona and Texas. Among its services is a roster of specialists available to answer members questions, a seed bank that collects and sells exotic seeds, and a book service that offers publications at special reduced prices. CRFG, a non-profit organization, was founded in 1968 by Paul H. Thomson and John M. Riley. The San Diego Chapter of the CRFG is the only botanical group in San Diego that focuses on the growing of rare and unusual fruit. Contact Information: Jos M. Gallego at (858) 876-CRFG (2734) mailto:JMGallego@CRFGSanDiego.org ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Crystal or Seedless White Asian Guava - Available? From: "Frankie's Nursery" Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 13:35:38 -1000 Hi Leo, We don't have any guavas for California. They are all on the ground which can't be sent to California. We now have the Siam Seedless which is more preferred since it is totally without seeds & similar in taste to the Crystal Seedless-like an apple, Asian pear, & guava. Lynn - Original Message -From: "Leo Manuel" To: Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:46 PM Subject: Seedless White Asian Guava - Available? I am possibly interested in buying one or two seedless white Asian guava trees. I live in San Diego. I have heard that the Crystal Seedless is a recommended variety. How much would it cost if I picked them up at your nursery? How much if shipped? Thanks Leo Manuel mailto:rarefruit@san.rr.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Attend 2011 Rare Fruit Conference July 2011 Florida From: Joe Sabol Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 8:40:37 PM Joe Sabol wrote: > See below: > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Fruit and Spice Park" Wed 7/6 Pre conference Thur 7/7 - Sun 7/10 Conference Mon 7/11 Optional Post Conference Tour Annona Where: Fruit and Spice Park Fruit & Spice Park 24801 S.W. 187th Avenue Homestead, FL 33031 Confirmed Speakers Markku Hakkinen FLS KEYNOTE SPEAKER University of Helsinki Botanical Garden Visiting Researcher TOPICS: Current Status of Wild Musaceae(banana) Species & Musa Species Suitable for Outdoor & Indoor Cultivation in USA Richard Wallace, PhD. Professor of Chemistry Department of Chemistry and Physics Armstrong Atlantic State University TOPIC: Development & Evaluation of Bananas for Non-Tropical Climates Nigel Smith, PhD. Professor of Geography University of Florida TOPIC: Cinderella Fruits of the Amazon Erik Tie tag Pine Island Nursery Topic: Dragon Fruit Additional speakers, tours and activities are being added pending confirmations. Check website for updates www.fruitandspicepark.org Miami-Dade Parks provides quality and diverse cultural and recreational experiences for persons with disabilities. Call 305-755-7848 (V/TDD) to request materials in accessible format, a sign language interpreter (five days notice required) and for information on access for persons with disabilities The Tropical Fruit & Vegetable Society of the Redland, Inc and Miami Dade County Fruit & Spice Park Proudly Presents 2011 Rare Fruit Conference You are cordially invited to attend the Rare Fruit Conference that has convened 11 times since 1984. This event brings together fruit enthusists from scientists to commercial nurserymen to backyard growers. Register for pre-conference activities, tours, workshops, lecture and the NEW post conference tour. Admission to Mango Festival at Fairchild Tropical Botanic Gardens, 2 dinners & 2 lunches & lots more included. Additional details will be posted on www.fruitandspicepark.org as they become available. Register Now! Conference Schedule Wednesday, July 6, 2011 Pre-Conference Activities Registration. A day of self guided nursery and farm tours in the Redland area Thursday, July 7 to Sunday July 10, 2011 Lectures, tours of USDA at Chapman Field, Fairchild Tropical Botanic Garden's Mango Festival, University of Florida TREC Station, workshops and round table discussions with the experts. NEW! Monday, July 11, 2011 Post Conference Tour Space is limited. Must register by 6/1/11 Tour: Unbelievable Acres Botanic Gardens and nurseries in Broward & Palm Beach Counties The NEW Hampton Inn & Suites in Homestead has been chosen as the official Rare Fruit Conference accommodations. Click on the link provided below to access the special Rare Fruit Conference hotel reservation website-Hampton Inn (Hilton) http://hamptoninn.hilton.com/en/hp/groups/personalized/H/HSTFLHX-RFC-20110705/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG Give the reservation agent the following information Property Code: HSTFL Location: Hampton Inn - Homestead, 2855 NE 9 th Street, Homestead, Florida 33033 Group code : RFC Group Name: Rare Fruit Conference Arrival: Tuesday 7/5/11 Departure: Tuesday 7/12/11 Reservations outside of these dates may be requested directly from the hotel sales department by Phone: 305-257-7000 Email: mailto:HSTFL_Hampton_Suites@hilton.com This event will immerse the participant in an exciting and unique horticultural conference and a wide range of activities. Remember to register early. Please contact us for any questions at : mailto:friendsofthefruitandspicepark@gmail.com Telephone: 305-247-5727 We hope you will join us. Maryellen Cox Lopez President Tropical Fruit & Vegetable Society of the Redland, Inc. Chris Rollins Manager Fruit & Spice Park Joe Sabol mailto:jsabol@calpoly.edu ------------------------------------------------ Subject: The plant sale is near and we need your help From: David Long Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 2:45 PM Our plant sale is next month (April 23rd) and we are in need of people to help organize the event. This is something that will benefit us all and it is in our best interest to make it a successful sale. Besides people to help man the sale, we need people behind the scenes making a few phone calls and follow up emails. Please give us a bit of your time and organizational skills. If you can make a few phone calls and emails from home that would be a great help. If you can attend the sale and man the booths and plants we would love that also. No contribution is too small or unappreciated! PLEASE FILL IN THE FORM BELOW. https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=dFNJS19YaHdwaWk5Y0hVUFpNcEVPRXc6MA#gid=1 A little bit of help from many people will make this sale the best weve ever had but it has to be a joint effort. Thank you, David Long mailto:daveflong@sbcglobal.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: GRAFTING WORKSHOP San Diego Saturday, March 19 9:30 a.m. From: K Lakomy Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:16:26 -0800 (PST) Fellow fruit gardener, A double whammy! A grafting workshop and an opportunity to browse Jon Verdick's exceptional banana and fig collection! Let's take them one at a time. Why graft? (In case you need reminding!) Want to increase your varieties of fruit but have no space for additional trees? Graft several varieties onto existing trees. Want to extend your fruit-bearing season? Graft on several varieties with varying harvest times. Need a pollinator? Graft and you will have a good crop and two kinds of fruit. Inherited a poor producer? Graft on a better fruit and avoid replanting. Dont know how to graft? Are your skills a bit fuzzy? Now is a good time to learn several grafting styles with this hands on workshop by Jim Neitzel. Grafting will be done for cherimoya, apple and the genus prunus. There will be a limited number of rootstocks available for a $5 donation. Grafting tapes will be supplied. Some scion will also be available, but bring your own rootstock and scion if you have them. Or, just bring yourself and a bit of enthusiasm. As if this were not enough, this is also great opportunity to browse Jon Verdick's exceptional banana and fig collection! If you need a taste for what he has or have not been to his websites recently, check them out. He has literally hundreds of varieties. http://webebananas.com/ http://figs4fun.com/ This workshop is next Saturday, March 19th from 9:30am to 12:00pm at Jon Verdick's place, 6143 Fulmar St. San Diego, CA 92114 Directions: From Interstate 94 and College Ave., TURN S and go .2 miles, TURN RIGHT on Federal Blvd and go 1.5 miles, TURN LEFT onto 60th St, the FIRST LEFT is Fulmar St, 6143 is on the right. Bye for now and relax and enjoy the event! Karen Lakomy Membership & Hospitality CRFG - San Diego Chapter <><><><> Announcements And Web Pages To Consider <><><><> San Diego Chapter California Rare Fruit Growers Meeting: Where: Casa del Prado Building Room 101, Balboa Park When: Fourth Wednesday Of Each Month (Except December) See: http://www.crfgsandiego.org http://nc.crfgsandiego.org For North County CRFG Chapter Meeting http://www.crfg.org/chapters.html For information about ALL CRFG chapters. <><><> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HawaiiFruitlovers/ <><><> [HawaiiFruitlovers] Digest HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com To: HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com> None this time <> Agricultural Research Service (ARS) mailto:news@arsgrin.gov <> http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/thelatest.htm. None this time <><><><><><><><><> End of RFN201103B.txt <><><><><><><><><><> Rare Fruit News Online - April 1, 2011 - AKA RFN201104A.txt ___________________________________________________________ <><><><> Notes In Passing - Leo <><><><> If you want RFNO to continue much longer, you will need to help me. I need content - questions, answers, news about new varieties or techniques to assist the fruit growers. --> No April Fooling! <-- Jo Bates is a San Diego homeowner losing out to a mortgage company, and giving us an opportunity to get trees, plants, and even a bee hive. (Contact information below.) I am looking for a coffee tree in the San Diego area old enough to begin producing before long. <><><><><><><><> Table Of Contents (TOC) <><><><><><><><> -> -> -> Messages follow the Table Of Contents <- <- <- <><><> New Subscribers (TOC) <><><> New Subscriber - San Diego - Wants Kiwi, Carambola,.... Larry Lamb <><><> Readers Write (TOC) <><><> Why citrus trees along coast are dying (Free workshop) Cory Krell Newsflash! Blueberry plants $7.99 at Henry's Market! Cory Krell Moro blood oranges in Ventura County Kiit Coffee Tree Wanted In San Diego Area Leo Manuel Fw: about Dr Levin's visit and the Fruit Festival David and Kathie Homeowner Offers Free Fruit Trees, Other Plants, Hive... Jo Bates -> -> -> -> -> -> Messages <- <- <- <- <- <- <><><><><><><><> New Subscribers <><><><><><><><><> Subject: New Subscriber - San Diego - Wants Kiwi, Carambola,.... From: Larry Lamb Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:47:21 -0700 (PDT) I am Larry Lamb in San Diego, CA 92123. I am looking for Kiwi, Carambola (star fruit), Orange, Tangerine, Lamb Haas, and maybe some new tropical trees. Thanks Larry mailto:barbnlarry@sbcglobal.net <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> Subject: Why citrus trees along coast are dying (Free workshop) From: "Cory Krell Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:36:10 -0800 The below message and attached document comes from Gary Tanizaki of the University of California Cooperative Extension. University of California Agriculture and Natural Resources Why Are The Citrus Trees Along The Coast Dying? An Update On The Diaprepes Root Weevil Please Join Us Wednesday, March 16, 2011 Encinitas Community Library Meeting Room 540 Cornish Drive, Encinitas, CA 92024 9:30-9:45 am Registration (free) 9:45-10:30 am Dr. Joe Morse Department of Entomology UC Riverside Research with Diaprepes Root Weevil, with an Emphasis on Classical Biological Control 10:30-11:15 am Dr. Gary Bender & Dr. Loretta Bates UC Cooperative Extension Farm and Home Advisors Development of an IPM Program for Diaprepes Root Weevil in Citrus 11:15 am-12:00 pm James Bethke UC Cooperative Extension Farm and Home Advisors Best Management Practices for Diaprepes in Nurseries No RSVP Required For More Information Contact Dr. Loretta Bates (760) 752-4723 Note: 2.25 DPR Continuing Education Credits Available ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Newsflash! Blueberry plants $7.99 at Henry's Market! From: "Cory Krell Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:00:23 -0700 One additional note: The Henrys plant sizes are pretty varied that I saw, so shop well. The following are some great tips from Skip Vint: I saw these plants at the Henry's in Solana Beach last week. The plant structures were very small, and the stems thinner, in comparison to those at Clausen Nursery in Vista where one gallons are sold to CRFG members for $8.99, just a dollar more than Henry's (reg. price to public is $9.99). If one is in North County or going there, where Clausen is located, you are getting about 4 times as much plant material for your money at Clausen over Henry's. Clausen had a dozen or more varieties when I was there a couple of months ago, buying my blueberry plants. Here is their web site. You can call them for varieties still in stock. http://www.clausennursery.com/ Costco is also selling blueberry plants, three one approx. pint size containers with lots of top growth, for $19.99. Three different varieties. At our meeting this last Friday, people asked where you can get blueberry plants. For $7.99, Henrys Market has limited quantities of the following blueberry plants: Southern Highbush Misty and Southern Highbush Sharpblue At the Henrys in Escondido, there were about 15 plants total, and the person I spoke with said they didnt have any more. The plants that I saw were about 1.5 tall. Cielo reports that the Henrys she went to near Point Loma had about 20 (10 of each variety). Thanks go to Cielo Foth for this tip! Cory mailto:CRFG@globalinfo.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Moro blood oranges in Ventura County From: Kiit Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 23:51:27 -0400 -------------------- Market Watch: Moro blood oranges in Ventura County -------------------- A lawyer's Old Gold Farms produces the fruit and a popular wine-red juice. Also, little-known Tahitian pummelos are coming to market. By David Karp, Special to the Los Angeles Times March 25 2011, 10:16 AM PDT Reporting from Somis -- Moro blood oranges grown in Southern California are almost different fruits from those grown in the San Joaquin Valley, the state's leading citrus district. They're smaller in size, lighter in color and a month or more later in ripening. By April, San Joaquin Valley Moros often develop musty off-flavors, but when grown in Southern California the variety can remain in good condition well into the spring and arguably develops its sweetest, richest flavor here. The complete article can be viewed at: http://www.latimes.com/features/food/la-fo-marketwatch-20110325,0,4666912.story Visit latimes.com at http://www.latimes.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Coffee Tree Wanted In San Diego Area From: Leo Manuel Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:25:31 -0700 Anyone know of a source of coffee trees old enough to begin producing fruit soon, in or near San Diego? Are some varieties superior in fruit size, taste of fresh fruit, or precocity? Leo ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Fw: about Dr Levin's visit and the Fruit Festival From: "David and Kathie" Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:58:27 -0700 Hi, Pomegranate fan. Dr. G. Levin, the guy who collected and preserved the central asian pomegranate varieties is invited for a visit at Fruit Festival time. The inviting chapter is looking for donations to bring Dr. and Mrs. Levin here. I'm going to kick in 100 dollars to the effort. Everything helps. Best wishes and take care. Maybe we can all go to the pomegranated tasting at WEO this year. Best wishes David mailto:bentleye@cox.net David Silverstein ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Baer Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 11:38 AM Subject: about Dr Levin's visit and the FFest Hello everyone. I just talked with Jenny Hom in AZ. Jenny is co ordinating the FF in Tempe in Nov. She has learned that the commitment of $3000 toward Gregory and Emma Levin's expenses to come to the Fest isn't quite there. But the AZ chapter, Jenny said, could commit $2500 if a matching amount were raised. I think the flight plus expenses will probably come to around $5000., so we need to come up with $2500, and Jenny needs to know in @ two weeks if that's realistic, because their preparations for the Fest and the publicity and planning will depend on whether Dr L is coming or not. I don't have Valdivia's email, nor others who might contribute, so perhaps you'll forward a message around and bring it up at the Sat meeting. I can commit $250 right now and will be very happy to drive Gregory and Emma from AZ to CA to visit Wolfskill and wherever else they wish to and can go--they are both in late 70s and not perfect health but I think once they're here they certainly would want to see Wolfskill, maybe so. Cal a bit. So now we've got to see if we can raise this money and get ready for a great visit and Fest! best, Barbara ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Homeowner Offers Free Fruit Trees, Other Plants, Hive... Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:55:46 -0700 From: Jo Bates Dear Leo, I have lost my house to the mortgage predators. Came here with 350 plants in containers. I want to know if you know of anyone who might want to dig up and take some wonderful fruit trees, roses and many other great plants. I have been cultivating my garden for 7 years organically. I also have a bee hive. Please contact me if you are interested. Jo Bates mailto:mojobates@cox.net <><><><> Announcements And Web Pages To Consider <><><><> San Diego Chapter California Rare Fruit Growers Meeting: Where: Casa del Prado Building Room 101, Balboa Park When: Fourth Wednesday Of Each Month (Except December) See: http://www.crfgsandiego.org http://nc.crfgsandiego.org For North County CRFG Chapter Meeting http://www.crfg.org/chapters.html For information about ALL CRFG chapters. <><><> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HawaiiFruitlovers/ <><><> [HawaiiFruitlovers] Digest Numbers xx, yy HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com To: HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com> 1a. Surinam cherries Posted by: foodiesleuth cubanwahine@hawaii.rr.com __ 1b. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: ken love ken@mycoffee.net __ 1c. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: foodiesleuth cubanwahine@hawaii.rr.com __ 1d. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: ken love ken@mycoffee.net __ 1a. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: owanafarm owanafarm@yahoo.com.mx __ 1b. Re: Surinam cherries Posted by: foodiesleuth cubanwahine@hawaii.rr.com> <> Agricultural Research Service (ARS) mailto:news@arsgrin.gov <> http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/thelatest.htm. None this time <><><><><><><><><> End of RFN201104A.txt <><><><><><><><><><> Rare Fruit News Online - April 15, 2011 - AKA RFN201104B.txt ____________________________________________________________ <><><><> Notes In Passing - Leo <><><><> <><><><><><><><> Table Of Contents (TOC) <><><><><><><><> -> -> -> Messages follow the Table Of Contents <- <- <- <><><> New Subscribers (TOC) <><><> New Subscriber-San Diego-Interested In Swapping Fruit Herman Persaud <><><> Readers Write (TOC) <><><> Rambutan and Acai In Fallbrook - Possible?, Also.... Kris Haghi April Gardening News from Nan Sterman "Nan Sterman, Plant Soup, Inc" Weed Control and Glyphosate aka RoundUp Steve Ashley 2011 FL Rare Fruit Conference July, 2011 Fruit and Spice Park Want Dwarf Banana And White Sapote Tree and... Barbara Banks Re: Want Dwarf Banana And White Sapote Tree and... Leo Manuel To: Barbara Banks Best Blood Oranges For Humid Subtropical Climate? Ollie Rare Fruit Trees Plant Sale Sat. 4/23 9:00 Balboa Park Leo Manuel Grub Worms Are Good Skunk Bait (Live Traps) Alice Fw: Joze Newsletter Norman Beard Avocado production increase information Linda Sun Kilfeather Community IPM Workshop "CE San Diego" CRFG - Events this weekend! Karen Lakomy CRFG April, 2011 North San Diego County Chapter Harry Nickerson -> -> -> -> -> -> Messages <- <- <- <- <- <- <><><><><><><><> New Subscribers <><><><><><><><><> Subject: New Subscriber-San Diego-Interested In Swapping Fruit From: Herman Persaud Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 14:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Hi Manuel, In the past, I have been a member of the California Rare fruit growers here in San Diego. I have watched you give presentations. I have 17 types of fruit growing in my back yard in Clairemont. The most exotic is Sapote, which currently has a bumper crop and they are ripening at a rate of about 8 per day. They have the consistency of a ripe avocado and taste like vanilla custard. They are famous for relieving the pain of arthritis within hours of eating one. They are absolutely amazing when combined with vanilla ice cream. My name is Herman Persaud, I live in Clairemont (approx. 805 and Balboa Ave., a few blocks from Mesa College). I would love to trade my sapote for other rare fruit that is in season now. If you know anyone who might be interested, please give them my email address and phone number. Some of my other fruit trees are; Loquats, white guava, strawberry guava (a plant about 6" high I bought 7 years ago at one of the rare fruit growers meetings), it is now about 7 feet tall and bears wonderful guava. I also have blood oranges, satsuma mandarin, valencia orange, meyer lemons, pomegranate, red flame seedless grapes, black berries, strawberries. I would love to have a gogi berry plant but won't spend the gas to get one in Temecula. Do you know of a local source? I would also love to receive your email newsletters. Good to hear from you. Thanks, Herman Persaud mailto:herman.persaud@gmail.com 6470 Shirehall Drive San Diego, CA 92111 Home Tel: 858-277-2374 <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> Subject: Rambutan and Acai In Fallbrook - Possible?, Also.... From: kris haghi Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 13:04:10 -0500 Hi Leo, Does Joe Bates have a list of fruit trees she needs to sell and approx. sizes? I live in Fallbrook and may be interested in some of them depending on variety and sizes. Thanks so much for this newsletter, I look forward to getting it each time I check my inbox, I hope you keep getting info to keep it going. I was also wondering if anyone has had any luck at all with Rambutan and acai in my area. We are at 800-850 feet and really didn't get any frost this last winter when other locations had it. I realize both rambutan and acai are tropical, but thought I would ask, Rambutan really wouldn't be container grown either would it? Thanks Kris Haghi mailto:khaghi@hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Gardening News from Nan Sterman From: "Nan Sterman, Plant Soup, Inc" Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 12:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Encinitas Garden Festival and Tour, Saturday, April 30, 10 am to 4 pm Nan Sterman mailto:info@PlantSoup.com 760 634-2902 www.PlantSoup.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Weed Control and Glyphosate aka RoundUp From: Steve Ashley Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 13:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Leo, I found a good article on Glyphosate in Horticulture Magazine, April 2011. Like many growers I try to lean towards organic gardening, but with all the rain and subsequent weeds this year it be a challenge on a large place. I am relieved to learn more about Glyphosate AKA Roundup, and some others to control weeds. I recommend the Horticulture article to all who would like to learn about the action of this popular chemical. Yes, I have used it for years. Steve Ashley mailto:tebantani@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: 2011 FL Rare Fruit Conference July, 2011 From: Fruit and Spice Park Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 01:21:33 -0400 (EDT) 2011 Rare Fruit Conference Fruit and Spice Park 24801 S.W. 187th Avenue Homestead, FL 33031 Wednesday July 6, 2011 at 8:30 AM EDT -to- Monday July 11, 2011 at 6:00 PM EDT Confirmed Speakers Markku Hakkinen FLS KEYNOTE SPEAKER Univ.Helsinki Botanical Garden Richard Wallace, PhD. Professor of Chemistry Nigel Smith, PhD. Prof of Geography University of Florida Ian Greig Management & Technical Services for Agriculture Jonathan Crane, PhD. Tropical Research Center Florida Univ Rico Montenegro Chief Arborist Fruit Tree Planting Foundation Erik Tietag Pine Island Nursery Request an update mailto:friendsofthefruitandspicepark@gmail.com Register early and save! 2011 Rare Fruit Conference Hotel Reservation Booking Instructions Special Rate reservation must be made by no later than 06/19/2011 after that date reservation requests will be honored based on regular rates and on a space availability basis Hotel Website www.MiamiSouthHomesteadSuites.HamptonInn.com in the group/ convention code field enter : RFC Email: HSTFL_Hampton_Suites@hilton.com RV & TENT Camping Facilities Miami Dade County Larry & Penny Thompson Park & Campground 12451 SW 164 Street Miami, Florida 305-232-1049 Maryellen Cox Lopez Tropical Fruit & Vegetable Society of the Redland, Inc. mailto:fruitandspicepark@miamidade.gov 305-776-4619 ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Want Dwarf Banana And White Sapote Tree and... From: Barbara Banks Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 12:51:57 -0700 Hi Leo... Do you know where I could find a good dwarf banana tree and white sapote tree? Most of the nurseries I've called are out of them. Also, I'm looking for a source for rabbit manure. I live in Oceanside. Thanks, Barbara Banks mailto:ivorytikler@cox.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Want Dwarf Banana And White Sapote Tree and... From: Leo Manuel Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 15:43:59 -0700 To: Barbara Banks Barbara, I will post your request in the newsletter. Are you sure you have room for a sapote tree? They become quite large and require aggressive pruning to control. I do have a couple of small grafted verieties, one a MacDill that has very large fruit, and the other I call North Park that in some taste tests comes out ahead of others. They would cost $15 each. Jon Verdick has bananas as does David Archer. I have copied your request to them. They probably also have sapote trees. ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Best Blood Oranges For Humid Subtropical Climate? From: Ollie Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:38:04 -0400 Hi, I'm wondering if anyone has grown blood oranges successfully--that is, with at least *some* pigmentation--in Florida or a similar humid subtropical climate. I've heard that 'Moro' is the best performer under less than ideal conditions like mine. Ollie Patterson mailto:ollie_patterson@embarqmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Rare Fruit Trees Plant Sale Sat. 4/23 9:00 Balboa Park From: Leo Manuel Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 08:27:17 -0700 Rare Fruit Plant Sale Saturday April 23, 2011 9:00am to 4:00pm Large Patio at Casa del Prado, Balboa Park This plant sale is a unique event which makes available unusual and rare fruit trees to the public. The plants available are plants that have been proven to produce excellent quality fruit in San Diego. San Diegans can grow many types of exotic fruit including jujube, white sapote, feijoa, dragon fruit, mango, longan, jaboticaba, tropical guava, passionfruit, goji berry, excellent bananas and ice cream bean among others. FREE ADMISSION -- OPEN TO THE PUBLIC Phone - (858) 876-2734-CRFGSanDiego.com-info@CRFGSanDiego.com Rare Fruit Plant Sale Saturday April 23, 2011 9:00am to 4:00pm Large Patio at Casa del Prado, Balboa Park Jose Miguel Gallego mailto:JMGallego@CRFGSanDiego.org ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Grub Worms Are Good Skunk Bait (Live Traps) From: Alice Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 12:48:22 -0700 Leo Last week you had an idea of using grub worms in a Havaheart trap to capture skunks that are digging up my plants looking for grub worms. I dug up three fat grub worms, put those grubs in a quart yogurt container, with no lid placed in the Havaheart. Well, I tried it and it worked. Caught a skunk first night. It was peacefully relocated the next morning to a new venue. Thanks for the idea. Ciao, Alice Snow mailto:glorialice@cox.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Fw: Joze Newsletter From: Norman Beard Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 03:55:41 -0700 (GMT-07:00) This is being forwarded to you for information only on Indian Joze, as we will be booking him to put on a cooking show at our Festival of Fruit in 2012. Norman -----Forwarded Message----- Subject: Joze Newsletter From: Joseph Schultz Sent: Apr 9, 2011 11:23 PM India Joze, 418 Front Street, Santa Cruz, CA www.indiajoze.com APRIL 2011 Greetings Joze Fanz everywhere... MACMONDAY at JOZE We have Free WiFi every day but if you have questions about your computer you are sure to get an answer on Mondays from 2-5pm from our in-house Mac expert Dr. B. He will be on hand to dish out free advice on your Macintosh computer, while we dish out the food and drink. FRESH CALAMARI OUR LOCAL CEPHALOPOD is available every Friday. Any of our menu items can be made with fresh calamari. Dragon Calamari...Djawa Calamari...Calamari Mesaltsa...Persian Calamari...and more. EAST INDIAN COOKING CLASS On Sunday, April 17 Jozseph will be teaching an incredible EAST INDIAN COOKING CLASS at the restaurant through UCSC. Register online at UCSC Office of Physical Education and Recreation only $27 4-7PM includes a full dinner OUR BIG EXCITING NEWS is that on May 1st the new incarnation of India Joze will complete one year of Holy Joze Goodness in our new space at 418 Front Street. To celebrate the occasion, we invite you to join us that day at the INDIA JOZE FLOWER FESTIVAL. We're planning on a four hour performance art~cooking class~celebratory feast of flowers from 4-8pm. That's about it for now, friendz. We thank you all for your support in the last year and we invite you to come back soon and often and with all your friends. Wok on. Jozseph and the gang mailto:joz@indiajoze.com India Joze, 418 Front Street, Santa Cruz, CA www.indiajoze.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Avocado production increase information From: Linda Sun Kilfeather Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:32:50 -0400 Dear Leo, I went to a seminar given by the avocado packers and the speaker was long-time avocado man, and researcher, and grove person, Len Francis. It was an exciting talk about increasing avocado production by using the pollen of Zutano, a "B" tree, on the Hass "A" trees. Len's experiments worked, and I just finished typing the notes and sending them off for any corrections. As soon as he responds, I will send them to you. The notes are about 4 or 5 pages long and the biography for Len Francis (for those who may not know him) is about 2 to 3 pages. Let me know how you would like this. I have no idea how to set up a "link", but could forward the info to anyone who is interested. Pollinating time is winding down for this year, so please advise on how to make this info available. I will also send this out to the Beekeepers Assn of S. Calif. Many thanks, Linda Sun Kilfeather mailto:lindasun@alldial.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Community IPM Workshop From: "CE San Diego" Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:17:50 -0700 UCCE San Diego and the Healthy Garden/Healthy Home program are sponsoring a Free Community Workshop on How to Grow Healthy, Tasty Tomatoes! The workshop will be held on April 30 at the Fallbrook Community Center in Fallbrook from 10:00 am 11:30 am. For more details click on the attachment or go to the calendar section on our website at: www.cesandiego.ucdavis.edu Scott Parker University of California Program Representative Environmental Issues 5555 Overland Avenue, Ste., 4101 San Diego, CA 92123 Ph: 858-694-2184 Fax: 858-694-2849 ------------------------------------------------ Subject: CRFG - Events this weekend! From: Karen Lakomy Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 10:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Fellow Fruit Gardeners, Too many events to list individually, so here is the list with corresponding websites (free to attend unless otherwise noted): Earth Fair 2011 - Sunday, April 17, Balboa Park, 10am - 5pm - There are hundreds of exhibitors, including our own CRFG! http://www.earthdayweb.org/EarthFair.html Avocado Festival - Sunday, April 17, Downtown Fallbrook, 9am - 5pm http://www.fallbrookchamberofcommerce.org/events-v2/avocado- festival.html Beekeeping for the Backyard Orchardist - CRFG North County Chapter meeting - Friday, April 15, 7pm http://nc.crfgsandiego.org/ Rain Barrel Giveaway - For those living in Vallecitos Water District - Saturday, April 16, Water district Headquarters, 201 Vallecitos de Oro, San Marcos, 9am - 12pm. To register, call (760) 744-0460, ext. 238, or e-mail twebb@vwd.org. The workshop will include a presentation from native plant and landscape architect Greg Rubin of Californias Own Native Landscape Design. San Marcos-based rain barrel installer Ace Rain Systems will cover installation techniques. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/apr/10/rain-barrel- giveaway-set-water-workshop/ Water-Smart Edibles - Saturday, April 16, Water Conservation Garden, 10 am to 12pm. Horticulturist David Yetz presents "informative and delicious exploration of fruit that can be grown in a water-conserving landscape." Enjoy samples and see plants. 619-660-0614 x10. Admission: $20 - $30 http://www.thegarden.org/calendar/index.php Green Scene - Saturday & Sunday, April 16 & 17, Fullerton Arboretum $6.00. http://fullertonarboretum.org/event_green.php Whew! This should keep you busy! Karen Lakomy mailto:karencrfg@pacbell.net Membership & Hospitality CRFG - San Diego Chapter ------------------------------------------------ Subject: CRFG April, 2011 North San Diego County Chapter From: Leo Manuel Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:43:45 -0700 Take the Sting Out of Tax Day with Beekeeping for the Backyard Orchardist by Cory Krell The North San Diego County Chapter of the California Rare Fruit Growers is proud to present a free evening event featuring CRFG member Alan Bee Whisperer Snavely, a local beekeeping expert. Alan has over 20 years of beekeeping experience, runs a bee rescue and relocation service, and also makes and sells beekeeping equipment. Bring your thirst to this amazing presentation, full of practical information for people contemplating beekeeping, as well as those who are relatively new beekeepers. Alan also has two different types of hives, and will bee bringing them to show us the pros and cons of each. Finally, Alan will bee answering all of your questions such as: >> Is it dangerous to have bees in your backyard? >> Is it safe to eat the honey? >> What do you do if you find a wild beehive in your yard? >> Will I get more fruit from my fruit trees? >> And how do I avoid this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGg3j9V2YUo So why bring your thirst to this amazing presentation? As a bonus to the free evening event, we will also have a free mead (honey wine) tasting for those 21 or older and free exotic honey tasting for all! Remember to take the sting out of tax day and join us for the fun learning and great tasting at Oceansides MiraCosta College on Friday, April 15 at 7 p.m., in Horticulture Building room 7003. For more details, please see http://nc.crfgsandiego.org Extra Bonus! Cherimoya Tasting! Attendees Bring Your Cherimoyas Jac Fruit Seeds Seeds Wanted We will have a pre-sale of fresh Jac Fruit Ben Pierce is looking for Selma cherimoya seeds at our April meeting for $2.00 ea with a seed. Also seeds from our native elderberries. limit of 5 per family. The Fruit Gardener Please email him at Magazine has the Jac Fruit seeds in the Mar-Apr mariposafamily@gmail.com if you have some to issue for $2.00 ea with a limit of ONE. share. Chapter Board Members Cory Krell Chair 760-563-2734 mailto:CRFG@GlobalInfo.com Subtropical Grafting Workshop Harry Nickerson is hosting our May 7 subtropical grafting workshop in Vista. Jim Neitzel will be our presenter; and he will focus on grafting avocado, cherimoya, loquat and mango trees. The presentation will start at 10am. Members are invited to bring their own purchased plants or seedlings for grafting with scions of named varieties. We are planning on having a limited number of seedlings available for purchase. Every year we ask you to renew your membership in both our chapter and in CRFG Inc. This year we had a record number of people both join and renew! There are a ton of fantastic benefits you get for being a member of the North San Diego County Chapter. These benefits include: Member garden tours (SIX planned this yearwant to add yours? Contact Kathryn Blankinship at 760- 518-9922) Exclusive emails to events Field trips and caravans Summer picnic Holiday party Our great newsletter! Free mulch at El Corazon in Oceanside Discounts at Grangettos, Claussen, San Diego Botanic Garden Free membership cards for Alta Vista Gardens (and with it, even more nursery discounts!) But wait, theres more! Grafting workshops Plant sales Fruit tastings (this month cherimoya, honey and mead tasting!) Raffles! Insurance (to cover you on our field trips and local chapter events) Amazing summaries of our monthly speaker presentations in case you miss a meeting Scion exchange Wonderful speakers and meetings Last, but not least, a fun time being with friends! Your membership with CRFG Inc. is also a fantastic value! Your CRFG Inc. membership directly gets you these benefits: The Fruit Gardener magazine subscription (in beautiful color!) Seed bankgreat exotic fruit seeds for only $2.00! Free classifieds in The Fruit Gardener magazine And your membership with CRFG Inc. helps out all of us chapter members by: Handling state of California paperwork so our chapter can have raffles Getting a great group discount on the insurance Handling the insurance paperwork (and with it, the ability to do local chapter activities) Allowing our chapter to operate as a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization Providing the seed money needed to get things going at the yearly Festival of Fruit So thank you for joining or renewing your membershipboth are a fantastic value! Dues are: $10.00 for newsletter via email, $15.00 for newsletter via USPS. Please pay Dottie Logan at the next meeting or mail to her at 702 Berkeley Way, Vista CA 92084. Remember, Chapter members must also be members of CRFG Inc., the national organization. Program: Growing Blueberries in San Diego by Ramiro Lobo, UC CE Farm Advisor. His presentation can be accessed on the internet at http://ucanr.org/filevault/fileview.cfm?filenum=22876&password=DIQJNG . Harry Nickerson mailto:harnick@sbcglobal.net <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> Subject: Date: From: <> Signature mailto:xxx ------------------------------------------------ Subject: <><><><> Announcements And Web Pages To Consider <><><><> San Diego Chapter California Rare Fruit Growers Meeting: Where: Casa del Prado Building Room 101, Balboa Park When: Fourth Wednesday Of Each Month (Except December) See: http://www.crfgsandiego.org http://nc.crfgsandiego.org For North County CRFG Chapter Meeting http://www.crfg.org/chapters.html For information about ALL CRFG chapters. <><><> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HawaiiFruitlovers/ <><><> [HawaiiFruitlovers] Digest Numbers xx, yy HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com To: HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com> None this time <><><><><><><><><> End of RFN201104B.txt <><><><><><><><><><> Rare Fruit News Online - May 1, 2011 - AKA RFN201105A.txt _________________________________________________________ <><><><> Notes In Passing - Leo <><><><> Anything new or different in your fruit tree acquisitions? Do you have a fruit set about the same as usual? Looks as if our rain is over for a while, but the water restrictions were lifted, at least here, if we are willing to pay the hefty costs. Our summer weather is beginning on this first day of May, with an all-time high predicted for date (86 today and 90 tomorrow!) Apricots have set heavily, and need to be thinned.I wish that our Aprium would set more, but I believe that they are notorious for being shy bearers. <><><><><><><><> Table Of Contents (TOC) <><><><><><><><> -> -> -> Messages follow the Table Of Contents <- <- <- <><><> New Subscribers (TOC) <><><> New Subscriber, San Diego Annabell Skripek New Subscriber Andrew Perlot <><><> Readers Write (TOC) <><><> Kiwi Fruit and Marion Blackberry Questions Barbara Banks Re: Kiwi Fruit Leo Manuel To: Barbara Banks RE: Weed Control and Glyphosate aka RoundUp Vital Scherrer Gac Fruit - Discovered Sainarong Siripen Rasananda CRFG - Award Winning Honeyhart Cherimoyas Are In! K Lakomy YouTube On Paul Thomson by William Chow Leo Manuel Meeting - Light Brown Apple Moth has been cancelled. CE San Diego Wanted - Noni (Morinda citrifolia) - L A Area Richard Sar Leo No. 1 Mango Jon Verdick -> -> -> -> -> -> Messages <- <- <- <- <- <- Subject: New Subscriber, San Diego From: "Annabell Skripek" Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:54:28 -0700 Hi there, My name is Annabell Skripek and I would like to subscribe to your e-newsletter. I live in Torrey Highlands off Camino Del Sur and Carmel Valley Road so very close to Penasquitos. I would love to be given a tour of your back yard for inspiration!! I have peach, tangerine, plum, white fig, apple trees. My mom has a very green thumb and gave me an avocado tree grown from a pitt and twelve years later still no fruit. I also bought another avocado tree from home depot (grafted and hoped it would cross pollinate my tall tree and no fruit again.) It would be a shame to knock it down since its so healthy and big. I will give it another year. Now my new avocado tree is turning brown from the main growth line and shriveling up. I had sapote grown from pitt also and after 7 years of nothing, I did take that one down. I have cherimoya but that hasn't given me any fruit yet. I also have this lima tree from Bolivia, South America that we havent seen here in the states. Its like an orange crossed with another citrus. I have looked it up online and havent been successful at finding what it is. I have tasted it once when it gave fruit but not again. I would like to know if my cherimoya tree is healthy enough to produce fruit, when it should produce fruit and what I can do to make sure my trees are successful in my back yard. I would love to hear others stories to see if they had the same problems as me. I sent out an email to the folks about the upcoming plant/tree sale this weekend in Balboa Park b/c I am interested in purchasing a sapote tree but I want to make sure it will produce fruit soon!! My kids are now in school so I have free time again to putter around in my garden. We have a two story house and that is not good with the sun situation so I feel like I am limited to what I can plant. Thank you so much and I look forward to hearing from you! Thank you, AnnabellAnnabell mailto:annabell@san.rr.com [Anyone who wants to visit our fruit garden has but to let us know. Be aware that it is not kept up as well in recent years as before. -Leo] ------------------------------------------------ Subject: New Subscriber From: Andrew Perlot Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:44:20 +0700 Hi Leo. I'd like to join the newsletter. I am Andrew Perlot and I'm currently wandering around southeast Asia. At the moment I'm in Thailand, feasting on durian, jackfruit, canistel, bananas, and a variety of other fruits I didn't have access to in Connecticut. Fruit trees you are now growing: Back in Connecticut I planted persimmons and apple trees, but now I'm unable to care of them. Some you want to grow: I don't think there are any I don't want to grow. I love fruit. About Me: I'm a raw foodist, so I only eat raw fruits and vegetables. I'd like to take a permaculture design course so I can learn more about growing fruit trees in a perennial agricultural system. Professionally, I run my website, www.raw-food-health.net, to show people how they can overcome disease and become healthy using a fruit-centered raw food diet. Something You Might Like To Know: I've been traveling around southeast asia for the last six months, visiting a lot of fruit-growing areas. So far the best overall fruit market I've found is Muang Mai Market in Chiang Mai, Thailand. I've written about it here: http://www.raw-food-health.net/Muang-Mai-Market.html Questions to be answered by newsletter readers: None for the moment. I'm just interested in rare fruit and I'd like to keep abreast via your newsletter. All the best, Andrew Perlot mailto:rusticbohemian@gmail.com <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> Subject: Kiwi Fruit and Marion Blackberry Questions From: Barbara Banks Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:24:00 -0700 Thanks for putting my questions on your site. Do you know anyone around my area (Oceanside close to Vista/Oceanside Blvd) who is growing kiwis successfully? I got a male and female at Home Depot, then read online yesterday on some blog that kiwi requires high chill hours. I'll postpone planting it until I find out. Will Marion blackberries do well in our area? Lowes and Home Depot are loaded with them, but this is the first year I've seen them. Thanks, Barbara Banks ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Kiwi Fruit From: Leo Manuel Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:35:57 -0700 To: Barbara Banks Hi Barbara There are low chill cultivars that did very well for me when I lived in the Clairemont suburb of San Diego. I found it of interest that kiwis were never very high on my choice of fruit, but they performed better than most fruits. I will post your letter so you can locate low chill varieties. Leo mailto:rarefruit@san.rr.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: RE: Weed Control and Glyphosate aka RoundUp From: Vital Scherrer Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 14:54:30 +0100 Hello, Just in case you care about your health, as well as the health of others and your environment, then you might want to consider to read the following article at www.responsibletechnology.org/blog/664: Monsanto’Äôs Roundup Triggers Over 40 Plant Diseases and Endangers Human and Animal Health For Glyphosate Factsheet www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/Roundup-Glyphosate-Factsheet-Cox.htm Or, Farmers Cope With Roundup-Resistant Weeds, see: www.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/business/energy-environment/04weed. html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&th&emc=th Cheerios! Vital mailto:vital233@hotmail.com Madeira island (Portugal) 33¬†N Zone 10b Sunset H1 > Subject: Weed Control and Glyphosate aka RoundUp > From: Steve Ashley > Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 13:04:05 -0700 (PDT) > > > Leo, > > I found a good article on Glyphosate in Horticulture Magazine, > April 2011. > > Like many growers I try to lean towards organic gardening, but > with all the rain and subsequent weeds this year it be a > challenge on a large place. I am relieved to learn more about > Glyphosate AKA Roundup, and some others to control weeds. I > recommend the Horticulture article to all who would like to learn > about the action of this popular chemical. > > Yes, I have used it for years. > > Steve Ashley mailto:tebantani@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Gac Fruit - Discovered From: "Sainarong Siripen Rasananda" Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:04:11 +0700 Thai people are becoming interested in Gac fruit because of its astounding health benefits. In the past, it has been ignored by the Thais. Gac Fruit is found in South-Asia. But the Vietnamese seem to be the first to realize its potential and have built up an industry around it. Gac Fruit sounds quite interesting to me. What do you think? Sainarong mailto:sainaron@loxinfo.co.th [Has anyone in the States seen it in an Asian market yet? How does it taste? I believe Gogi fruit are also high in some nutrients, but I do not enjoy eating it. Thanks for the information! -Leo] Gac fruit aka Baby Jackfruit, Spiny Bitter Gourd, Sweet Gourd, or Cochinchin Gourd Excerpt from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gac Traditionally, gac has been used as both food and medicine in the regions in which it grows. Other than the use of its fruit and leaves for special Vietnamese culinary dishes, gac is also used for its medicinal and nutritional properties. In Vietnam, the seed membranes are used to aid in the relief of dry eyes, as well as to promote healthy vision. Similarly, in traditional Chinese medicine the seeds of gac are employed for a variety of internal and external purposes. Recently, attention is being to be attracted to it in the West, because chemical analysis of the fruit suggests it has high concentrations of several important phytonutrients. The fruit contains by far the highest content of beta-carotene of any known fruit or vegetable. Ripe gac fruits Conservation status - Rare (NCA) Scientific classification Kingdom: Plantae (unranked): Angiosperms (unranked): Eudicots (unranked): Rosids Order: Cucurbitales Family: Cucurbitaceae Genus: Momordica Species: M. cochinchinensis Binomial name: Momordica cochinchinensis (Lour.) Spreng. ------------------------------------------------ Subject: CRFG - Award Winning Honeyhart Cherimoyas Are In! From: K Lakomy Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 08:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Fellow Fruit Gardeners, The following information has been transmitted from Tom Del Hotal: The Home Depot in Lemon Grove currently has in stock 5 gallon 'Honeyhart" cherimoyas for $29.98! This is the cultivar that won the 'best taste' rating when compared with over 25 other varieties at our cherimoya tasting event back in February. Most of these 4 foot tall 2 year old grafted trees are nicely branched and well leafed. If interested, do not delay for the best pick. Trees are available only at the Lemon Grove location. Delivery of mangos has been delayed due to cool weather. Watch for these emails for updates as to their availability. Karen Lakomy Membership & Hospitality CRFG - San Diego mailto:karencrfg@pacbell.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: YouTube On Paul Thomson by William Chow From: Leo Manuel Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:53:16 -0700 http://www.youtube.com/v/0mkUlOQqgsE?hl=en&fs=1"> William Chow mailto:williamwchow@yahoo.com has posted on YouTube a movie showing scenes from the life and funeral of Paul Thomson. Leo mailto:rarefruit@san.rr.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Meeting - Light Brown Apple Moth has been cancelled. From: "CE San Diego" Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:25:23 -0700 Hi all, Well as luck would have it, another LBAM was found in the present quarantine. Therefore, the quarantine has been extended and no changes will occur as a result. As you know we announced an important meeting to inform everyone of the threat that may occur to growers if the quarantine was to be rescinded. That meeting, originally set for May 5, is now cancelled. James Bethke mailto:jabethke@ucdavis.edu Floriculture and Nursery Farm Advisor University of California Cooperative Extension 151 E. Carmel Street San Marcos, CA 92078 (760) 752-4715 (951) 775-7172 (cell) ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Wanted - Noni (Morinda citrifolia) - L A Area Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:11:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Sar Hi Leo, I'm trying to locate a source for noni (Morinda citrifolia) hopefully somewhere in the Los Angeles/Orange County area. Looking to purchase or trade if possible. Thanks. Richard Sar [If you Google Noni (Morinda citrifolia) plant you can find seeds. Noni aka Indian Mulberry is a tropical tree with anti-cancer properties reported from extracts. -Leo] ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Leo No. 1 Mango From: Jon Verdick Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 18:22:49 -0700 Leo, I had very good fruit set on my Leo No. 1 this season, with some fruit almost 2#. It has turned out to be a really nice fruit, and has gotten good reviews from many who have tasted it this season. Enjoy, Jon Verdick mailto:jonv1@cox.net <><><><> Announcements And Web Pages To Consider <><><><> San Diego Chapter California Rare Fruit Growers Meeting: Where: Casa del Prado Building Room 101, Balboa Park When: Fourth Wednesday Of Each Month (Except December) See: http://www.crfgsandiego.org http://nc.crfgsandiego.org For North County CRFG Chapter Meeting http://www.crfg.org/chapters.html For information about ALL CRFG chapters. <><><> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HawaiiFruitlovers/ <><><> [HawaiiFruitlovers] Digest Numbers HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com To: HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com> None this time <><><><><><><><><> End of RFN201105A.txt <><><><><><><><><><> Rare Fruit News Online - May 15, 2011 - AKA RFN20115B.txt _________________________________________________________ <><><><> Notes In Passing - Leo <><><><> <><><><><><><><> Table Of Contents (TOC) <><><><><><><><> -> -> -> Messages follow the Table Of Contents <- <- <- <><><> New Subscribers (TOC) <><><> None this time <><><> Readers Write (TOC) <><><> Need Tropical Fruit Seed Sources - On Line Joel Vinikoor Newbie Fruit Gardener? What To Expect From Fruit Garden Nan Sterman RE: Effects of Glyphosate (Roundup) on Crops, Animals and Soil Oscar Jaitt RE: Avocado Problem Vital Scherrer RE: Kiwi Fruit and Marion Blackberry Question Vital Scherrer Summer Horticulture Class Openings at Southwestern College Landscape and Nursery Technology Gac fruit Linda Sun Kilfeather To: info@crfg.org San Diego County Fair! It is TRIPLE-PLUS Good! Cory Krell \(CRFG\) Avocado Trees James Webb RE: Hi Leo Joel Vinikoor CRFG - Mangos at Home Depot (Lemon Grove) are In! K Lakomy Tree tomato and guaje William Chow Tamarillo seeds Paul Goeglein CRFG - Free Lecture on Sustainable Tree Choices K Lakomy [HawaiiFruitlovers] Digest Number 48 HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com To: HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Photos of Chempadek Hawaii Tropical Fruit Lovers Photos of Chempadek Posted by: fruitlovers fruitlovers@gmail.com fruitlovers Mon May 2, 2011 9:08 pm (PDT) This fruit looks and tastes similar to jackfruit. Is just a bit more elongated, torpedo shaped, as you can see in this photo: http://www.fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/ChempadekFruitScaled.jpg In my opinion it is even better tasting than jackfruit! But biggest advantage is that chempadek is a LOT easier to clean as it does not have all the fiber or latex. You can see inside of fruit here: http://www.fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/ChempadekCrossection.jpg The only disadvantages of chempadek are that it is slower growing and the plants are much more difficult to obtain for planting. Still quite rare in Hawaii, but i encourage everyone to plant them. Oscar -> -> -> -> -> -> Messages <- <- <- <- <- <- <><><><><><><><> New Subscribers <><><><><><><><><> None this time <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> Subject: Need Tropical Fruit Seed Sources - On Line From: "Joel Vinikoor" Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 16:15:57 -0400 Hi Leo, Thanks for doing great job with this email newsletter. I am looking for a website that sells tropical fruit seeds. Thanks, Joel Vinikoor mailto:joelv@bellsouth.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Newbie Fruit Gardener? What To Expect From Fruit Garden From: Nan Sterman Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 13:52:27 -0700 Hi Leo I apologize for not contributing much recently. I've been consumed by my column for the UT, articles for other publications, a very busy speaking schedule, designing gardens, and yesterday, the Encinitas Garden Festival which I chair and where our attendance topped 1200 for the first time. Phew! This morning, I'm taking it slow, trying to recover and remember what my own garden looks like. As I read today's messages from Annabel and Barbara, I was reminded that with the excitement of new fruiting plants, there is often the expectation of immediate fruit. Few people are aware of how long it takes for plants to mature to the point where they fruit. If you make a cutting from a fig tree, it could be three years before it might set a fruit and that fruit will likely drop before it ripens. The next year you may get a few ripe fruits. It could be five years or more before the tree produces what you would consider to be an actual crop. Avocados often take five to seven years, even if you plant from a five or fifteen gallon can. Sprout one from a pit, it takes much much longer (that's one reason that the pros graft buds onto several year old saplings rather than start fruit trees from seed). To fruit, as Annabel mentioned, an avocado needs a pollenizer of the right type. I've attached an article about growing avocado in So Cal that includes a chart of varieties and their types. Select the right combination to ensure pollenation. By the way, if I could grow avos, I'd grow Reeds. They are fantastic. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the kiwis took three to five years to produce. Barbara, Roger Meyer in Valley Center (xotcfruit@yahoo.com) has grown kiwis for many many years, both hardy and non-hardy if I recall correctly. He sells fruits and plants. Friends of mine in Lemon Grove (where the climate is even milder than Oceanside) have huge vines of the fuzzy types (non-hardy) that produce like crazy so chill should not be a problem. Please be aware that kiwis need a very very strong support structure and aggressive pruning every year. That said, with all fruits, be sure to check out the cultural requirements for each variety, including chill requirement before you purchase it. Often, the national stores buy in varieties that are simply unsuited for our region so do your homework first. But what I really want to emphasize is to have reasonable expectations. If you don't get fruit the first year, that's okay. In fact, that's good because your plant is developing the strong roots and shoots that it needs to support future fruits. Think of it this way. Humans are not mature enough to reproduce the minute we are born. It takes years for our bodies to grow and mature to that point. Fruiting vines, trees, and shrubs are no different. Sorry this is so long... The most important thing is to do your homework, don't be discouraged, and have fun! Nan Sterman mailto:nsterman@mindsovermatter.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: RE: Effects of Roundup on Crops, Animals, and Soil From: Oscar Jaitt Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 12:53:33 -1000 Effects of Glyphosate (Roundup) on Crops and Animals and Soil This is an interview with Don Huber, recently retired professor from Purdue University. He is the one that wrote agriculture secreatary Vilsack about a new pathogen discovered in round up ready corn and soy. This is an earlier interview with him: Scientist warns of dire consequences with widespread use of glyphosate The December/January 2010 issue of The Organic & Non-GMO Report featured an interview with Robert Kremer, an adjunct professor in the Division of Plant Sciences at the University of Missouri, whose research showed negative environmental impacts caused by glyphosate, the main ingredient in Monsanto's Roundup herbicide, which is used extensively with Roundup Ready genetically modified crops. The following interview is with another scientist, Don Huber, who recently retired from Purdue University, who has also documented negative environmental impacts from glyphosate. The widespread use of glyphosate is causing negative impacts on soil and plants as well as possibly animal and human health. These are key findings of Don Huber, emeritus professor of plant pathology, Purdue University. Compromise agricultural sustainability, animal and human health In a paper published in the European Journal of Agronomy in October 2009, Huber and co-author G.S. Johal, from Purdue's department of botany and plant pathology, state that the widespread use of glyphosate that we see today in agriculture in the United States can "significantly increase the severity of various plant diseases, impair plant defense to pathogens and diseases, and immobilize soil and plant nutrients rendering them unavailable for plant use." Further, the authors state that glyphosate stimulates the growth of fungi and enhances the virulence of pathogens such as Fusarium and "can have serious consequences for sustainable production of a wide range of susceptible crops." The authors warn "ignoring potential non-target detrimental side effects of any chemical, especially used as heavily as glyphosate, may have dire consequences for agriculture such as rendering soils infertile, crops non-productive, and plants less nutritious. To do otherwise might well compromise not only agricultural sustainability, but also the health and well-being of animals and humans." Please tell me about your research with glyphosate. Don Huber: I have been doing research on glyphosate for 20 years. I began noticing problems when I saw a consistent increase in "take-all" (a fungal disease that impacts wheat) where glyphosate had been applied in a previous year for weed control. I tried to understand why there was an increase in disease with glyphosate. I found that glyphosate has an effect on reducing manganese in plants, which is essential to many plant defense reactions that protect plants from disease and environmental stress. Glyphosate can immobilize plant nutrients such as manganese, copper, potassium, iron, magnesium, calcium, and zinc so they are no longer nutritionally functional. Glyphosate kills weeds by tying up essential nutrients needed to keep plant defenses active. Glyphosate doesn't kill weeds directly but shuts down their defense mechanisms so pathogens in the soil can mobilize and kill the weeds. Glyphosate completely weakens the plant, making it susceptible to soil borne fungal pathogens. That is one reason why we see an increase in plant diseases. Glyphosate causes plants to be more susceptible and greatly stimulates the virulence of pathogens that kill plants. How many plant diseases are linked to glyphosate? DH: There has been a general increase in the number of plant diseases in the last 15 to 18 years. There are four primary soil fungiFusarium, Phythium, Rhizoctonia, and Phytophthorathat become more active with the use of glyphosate. There has been an increase in take-all, Fusarium diseases, such as head scab, Gibberella (Fusarium) in corn, Pythium, Corynespora or root rot in soybeans, crown rot in sugar beets, and bacterial and fungal diseases. Fusarium head blight (which affects cereal crops) is a disease that produces a mycotoxin that could enter the food chain. There are more than 40 diseases reported with use of glyphosate, and that number keeps growing as people recognize the association (between glyphosate and disease). Has research confirmed the link between glyphosate and Fusarium? DH: There is plenty of data to show that, and it raises concerns about toxins in food. Can you give an example of a specific crop that has been negatively impacted by glyphosate? DH: Last summer I visited farms that had typical glyphosate damage. I received a call from a potato seed farmer in Minnesota who grows 1000 acres of seed potatoes. There was so much glyphosate in the potato tubers from a previous crop of Roundup Ready soybeans that the potatoes can't be used as seed and could not be certified. Proponents of glyphosate say it is environmentally benign. Would you agree with that assessment? DH: Absolutely not. That's an outright mistaken notion. Glyphosate is the single most important agronomic factor predisposing some plants to both disease and toxins. These toxins can produce a serious impact on the health of animals and humans. Toxins produced can infect the roots and head of the plant and be transferred to the rest of the plant. The toxin levels in straw can be high enough to make cattle and pigs infertile. In your paper you say that "the introduction of such an intense mineral chelator as glyphosate into the food chain through accumulation in feed, forage, and food, and root exudation into ground water, could pose significant health concerns for animals and humans and needs further evaluation." Could you elaborate on this? DH: Micronutrients such as manganese, copper, potassium, iron, magnesium, calcium, and zinc are essential to human health. All of them can be reduced in availability by glyphosate; mineral nutrients are less in glyphosate treated plants. We are seeing a reduction in nutrient quality (in food crops). There are also reports of allergic reactions, such as stomach lesions, produced by the Roundup Ready (genetically modified) gene. These reactions need to be studied; there needs to be a lot more information that we don't have. This type of research has been prevented by a lack of access to information. What other impacts do you see caused by the Roundup Ready gene? DH: The gene will reduce micronutrient efficiency up to 50% for zinc and manganese. It's very significant unless the plant is supplemented with micronutrients. This could also account for the yield drag (reported with Roundup Ready crops). Unfortunately, most researchers are forbidden to do work in the area. They don't have access to isogenic lines (conventional and Roundup Ready plant lines that are otherwise genetically identical); the materials are denied to researchers. In your paper you recommend using as small a dose of glyphosate as possible. Why is this? DH: To my knowledge we've never had this much reliance on one herbicide. It's hard to find an acre in the US that hasn't had glyphosate applied on it in the last three years. We need to have judicious use of glyphosate and remediate the damage that it does. If we continue to abuse the use of glyphosate, it's just a matter of time before we see more serious negative ramifications. We will have increasing toxin levels (in crops), reduced nutrient values, and the direct presence of glyphosate in crops. There are a lot of serious questions about the impacts of glyphosate that we need answers for in order to continue using this technology. I don't believe we can ignore these questions any more if we want to ensure a safe, sustainable food supply and abundant crop production. (Copyright The Organic & Non-GMO Report, May 2010) ------------------------------------------------ Subject: RE: Your Avocado Problem From: Vital Scherrer Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:06:20 +0100 Hi Annabell, Re your avocado problem: You might want to read about types A and B flowers (or blossoms) required for cross-pollination (e.g. at: www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/avocado.html). At http://ucavo.ucr.edu/AvocadoVarieties/VarietyFrame.html#Anchor-47857 there is a extensive list with blossom types stated. It appears that most avocados are type A, so you might need a type B variety. If the seed of your big seedling avocado was from an area with other inferior seedlings growing in the environs, it is very likely that its fruit quality will not be very good. Re your lima tree: I know of two orange hybrids with lemons. One is more like a lemon in shape and taste, called "Meyer lemon", the color can be more orange. The other is more like an orange in shape and taste, and has the color of a lemon, called "Lemonade". How are the shape, taste and color of your lima? In Portuguese, and possibly in Spanish too, limes are called lima. Re cherimoya see: www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/cherimoya.html. Cheerios Vital Scherrer mailto:vital233@hotmail.com Madeira island (Portugal) 33N Zone 10b Sunset H1 ------------------------------------------------ Subject: RE: Kiwi Fruit and Marion Blackberry Question From: Vital Scherrer Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:28:48 +0100 Hi Barbara, Low chill kiwi varieties are e.g.: * Vincent (100 hrs.) * Tomuri (100 hrs.) * Issai (3-400 hrs.) Re Marion blackberries: Are reportedly suitable for all zones in California, but best flavor in cooler summer climates. Cheerios Vital Scherrer mailto:vital233@hotmail.com Madeira island (Portugal) 33N Zone 10b Sunset H1 ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Summer Horticulture Class Openings at Southwestern College From: Landscape and Nursery Technology Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Summer Classes Now Open - Enroll Now! Classes begin June 20th! With most local colleges not offering any horticultural classes, the Landscape and Nursery Technology program at Southwestern College has 3 great courses available to you this summer. Take a look at each class below and then see the article that follows which describes the procedures on how to enroll. (Remember we no longer are a ROP program, you will have to sign up with the college and pay tuition!) Also, this is the last time (this summer) you can take a class for just $26 per unit. Beginning this Fall, all classes will be $36 per unit! Here are our Summer courses: LNT 72 - Horticulture Equipment - Care and Operation: Here is your chance to learn the proper and safe operation of the equipment used in the horticultural trades. From electric hedge shears to trenchers to tractors, we let you operate the devices that have either a motor or engine. Plus, we cover proper set-up and maintenance to assure the long life of the equipment and make sure you operate it safely. Offered as a 7 week course with Tuesday and Thursday meetings from 4:30 to 9:15 pm. The class begins June 21st and ends August 4th. 2 units LNT 72 60 #67834 LNT 75 - Pond Design, Installation, and Care: Proper pond design, installation, and care are critical to the health and beauty of a water feature. When performed properly, ponds can be relatively low in maintenance and can provide a great spot to invite local wildlife into your yard. Taught by local pond expert (we can't tell you who it is yet!), you will learn from the best. Offered on Wednesday evenings from 4:00 to 9:15 pm beginning on June 22nd and ending on August 3rd. 1 unit LNT 75 01 #67835 LNT 143 - Tree and Shrub Production: Designed to take you on to the next step after plant propagation, this course shows students how to successfully take new seedlings, rooted cuttings, and plant divisions and grow them on to a marketable one gallon or larger size. In addition, greenhouse and shade house management is covered along with proper new plant pruning, watering, and fertilization methods. A must for all nursery majors and those people interested in the production of new plants! Offered on Monday evenings from 4:00 to 8:50 pm beginning on June 22nd and ending on August 1st. 1 unit LNT 143 01 #67836 Continuing students should be receiving their summer registration appointments by email beginning Monday, May 2nd. New and past returning students will be getting their registration appointments beginning May 9th. Enrolling in Landscape and Nursery Technology Course If you haven't taken a course at Southwestern College recently, then you will have to enroll in the college. Simply visit the college website at www.swccd.edu and then click on the Apply Online tab located in the right hand column area. Follow all the instructions and once done, you will be given a login in name and a password. You will then be able to go back to the Southwestern College webpage at www.swccd.edu and then you can begin enrolling in classes by clicking on WebAdvisor located in the right hand column area. We greatly encourage you to enroll in advance as classes may fill up or, in some cases, classes may be cancelled due to low enrollment even before their first class meeting. So, enroll in advance to avoid any problems. However, should you have difficulties in enrolling, show up to the first class meeting and the instructor will help you in adding the course if space is available. In any case, if you have problems or questions, call us at 619-421-6700 ext 5371. Fall Class Schedule - a sneak peak! ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Gac fruit From: lindasun@alldial.net Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 16:14:39 -0400 Dear Sairong, I saw your note in the CRFG newsletter. I have been growing Gac fruit for about one year (although not too well). It us used to prepare a special rice dish at Chinese New Year and also for weddings and other special occasions. The "fruit" itself is a gourd, teardrop shaped with small spines which do not pierce a person's skin. The gourd is a beautiful, shiny bright orange and when cut open, the seeds are all stacked up in rows, like a cacao fruit, and each seed (about the size of a quarter, but 4 times as thick) is covered with dark red-orange material which has the consistency of custard. This is what provides the extremely high vitamin A precursor. The seeds, with their custardy covering are added to rice, which is then cooked and becomes an electric orange, or a fluorescent orange, which is very attractive, but has no taste. Two scoops of the orange rice are put together on a plate and two of the cooked seeds sit atop as a decoration. The seeds are called "wooden turtles" because, whether cooked or raw, they look like those chocolate candies called "turtles". It seemed to me that importing them every year was a lot of trouble if we could grow them here, so I finally found a gourd in "Little Saigon" which is a section in Westminster in Orange County. I scraped the coating off each seed and planted them and about 12 plants came up. They have very green, bright shiny leaves that are shaped somewhat like grape leaves, or tiny maple leaves, about 2 inches in each direction, and the plants have tendrils like grapes, which grasp anything nearby. They do not appreciate any freezes that we have during January or February and seem to prefer light shade. The plants are about a year old, but are only about a foot high. They should probably be separated and fertilized. They do not object to "wet feet", but do not insist on constant watering. Maybe If I am lucky, eventually I will see flowers, but these vines are dioecious and, as yet, I am unable to tell males from females. The botanical name is Momordica (which means "to bite" [like snapping turtles]) cochinchinensis (Cochinchina is a region in North Vietnam). Since that name is unwieldy, I call them Momo cochinchin. Any comments are appreciated. Linda Sun Kilfeather mailto:lindasun@alldial.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Interest in growing Medlar? From: "Dan Nelson" To: info@crfg.org Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 4:11:47 PM Hello, I am interested in talking with someone who knows about growing Medlar trees in Southern California. Thanks, Daniel Nelson mailto:dann@lavernenursery.com Director of Nursery Operations La Verne Nursery Inc. ------------------------------------------------ Subject: San Diego County Fair! It is TRIPLE-PLUS Good! From: "Cory Krell \(CRFG\)" Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 00:40:35 -0700 The San Diego County Fair is Coming Up!!! As previously announced, every year both our North San Diego County Chapter and the San Diego Chapter jointly host an information booth at the San Diego County Fair, located in the Pat OBrien Hall. The booth is a great opportunity to meet local people who are interested in growing fruit, help them with any questions they might have, tell them your growing tips, and to share about our wonderful chapters. And this year it is not going to be good.it is going to be DOUBLE TRIPLE-PLUS Good!! We have managed to secure DOUBLE the space for our booth, PLUS, even better, we will be seen by more people, we will be answer more questions and have room for extra visuals and trees on top of our usual amazing fruit display! PLUS, if you volunteer, you get into the Fair for free! DOUBLE-PLUS Good, right??!! WAIT, there is MORE! It is now TRIPLE-PLUS GOOD! The San Diego County Fair has a HUGE schedule of wonderful concerts and events plus many attractions free for people attending the Fair! So before or after volunteering, you can go see great exhibits or even an evening show for free! What a great deal! To volunteer contact Carol Graham 760-753-6757 navanax@aol.com. Fair opens on Friday June 10 and closes on Monday July 4, 2011 The Fair will be closed on three Mondays: June 13, 20 & June 27. Volunteer Schedule We need your help to staff our exhibit for 3-hour shifts as follows: 11 am - 2 pm & 2 - 5 pm most weekdays 10 am 1 pm & 1-4 pm Saturdays, Sundays & Monday July 4 Please check your personal calendars before volunteering since it is much harder to fill a shift when someone cancels close to the start of the Fair. Free Entry! Fair admission passes will be given to members who staff our CRFG Exhibit at San Diego County Fair. Free parking and shuttle service at Horsepark everyday that the Fair is open! From Interstate 5, drive ~1 mile east on Via de la Valle. At the traffic light, turn south (right) onto El Camino Real and start looking to the west (right) for the entrance to Horsepark's large unpaved parking lot. Additional free parking and shuttle service may be available from Mira Costa College (San Elijo Campus in Encinitas) and Torrey Pines High School (off Del Mar Heights Rd.) but only on Saturdays, Sundays & Monday July 4. To Volunteer contact Carol Graham at 760-753-6757, mailto:navanax@aol.com. ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Avocado Trees From: James Webb Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 12:35:11 -0700 (PDT) I was recently introduced to your group at the USF Botanical Gardens Spring show. I live in Lutz, FL and am growing Mango and Avocado trees. While at the USF show, I purchased an Avocado Tree (Lila) and am very happy with it. I have received interest in it and wanted to know where I can purchase additional trees. Best regards, James Webb mailto:JamesTWebb@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: RE: Hi Leo From: "Joel Vinikoor" Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 10:45:18 -0400 Hi Leo, Here is an idea for your newsletter: From your newsletter subscribers request the web addresses for seed growers and publish the list in your newsletter. You can also request comments on the quality of the seeds purchased. Joel mailto:joelv@bellsouth.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: CRFG - Mangos at Home Depot are In! From: K Lakomy Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 08:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Fellow Fruit Gardeners, Mango shipments to the Home Depot Lemon Grove location have arrived! Tom Del Hotal describes the new shipment as containing very healthy, nicely flushed 4 foot specimens of the varieties 'Nam Doc Mai',' Valencia Pride' and 'Timotayo'. They are selling for $49.98. Aren't we lucky to be privy to such first hand information! Karen Lakomymailto:karencrfg@pacbell.net Membership& Hospitality CRFG - San Diego ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Tree tomato and guaje From: W Chow Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 08:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Hi Leo, I bought the tree tomato at Green Scene. They sell that at Orange County CRFG booth. Dennis Sharmahd has both the yellow and the red. He has tasted the tree tomato and he can explain the difference. Apparently he is also just starting to experiment with this. He said he is not ready to sell any plants. The guaje is a kind of acacia tree or you can call the mimosa or honey locust. Dennis has maybe 10 different kinds. There are a lot of legume trees including the mesquite. Only the quaje has edible beans. The tree is called Leucaena. It is called a miracle tree and is grown worldwide in the tropics. Strangely, nobody at Green Scene knows about this. Ben Poinier said he planted a tree once but it died. Every Mexican supermarket sells this bean for food. In Escondido, maybe one out of 4 or half the Mexican backyard has a tree like this. Yet, no nursery sells this plant. Apparently, all you have to do is to buy a bean from a Mexican supermarket and plant that. I mail order the seeds from Missouri. They charge over $ 6 for a few seeds. Everyone in Escondido knows that you can get over 100 seeds for a dollar at the Mexican market. Most of these are too green and great for eating. Some seeds will germinate. One interesting note is that this is a good tree to plant for support of dragon fruit vine. It provides a 25% shade. I saw in Linda Vista a drgaon fruit vine with lots of fruit. It is planted with a mimosa tree. The guaje (Leucaena) is a small tree and not very strong. But it provide filter shade and also add nitrogen to the soil. Cheers ! William mailto:williamwchow@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Tamarillo seeds From: Paul Goeglein Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 11:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Hi Leo, I'm in search of tamarillo seeds (aka tomate arboles or tree tomato). I'm particularly interested in the yellow and low acid red varieties. If there's any one out there that can help it'd be GREATLY appreciated!!! Please respond to: stardustcenter@yahoo.com Thanks, Paul "pilgrim" Lamb mailto:stardustcenter@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: CRFG - Free Lecture on Sustainable Tree Choices From: K Lakomy Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 18:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Make Sustainable Tree Choices to Increase Property Value Monday May 16, 2011: 5:30 - 7:30 p.m. Robin Rivet is CCSE's urban forester for ATAC, an ISA certified arborist and UCCE master gardener. This presentation will offer advice on choosing the healthiest trees that appreciate in value over time and how this translates into the increased value of your property. Register now for this workshop. https://energycenter.org/index.php?option=com_civicrm&task=civicrm/event/info&reset=1&id=465 mailto:karencrfg@pacbell.net <><><><> Announcements And Web Pages To Consider <><><><> San Diego Chapter California Rare Fruit Growers Meeting: Where: Casa del Prado Building Room 101, Balboa Park When: Fourth Wednesday Of Each Month (Except December) See: http://www.crfgsandiego.org http://nc.crfgsandiego.org For North County CRFG Chapter Meeting http://www.crfg.org/chapters.html For information about ALL CRFG chapters. <><><> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HawaiiFruitlovers/ <><><> [HawaiiFruitlovers] HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com To: HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Photos of Chempadek Subject: [HawaiiFruitlovers] Digest Number 48 From: HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com Date: 3 May 2011 09:02:09 -0000 Hawaii Tropical Fruit Lovers Photos of Chempadek Posted by: "fruitlovers" fruitlovers@gmail.com fruitlovers Mon May 2, 2011 9:08 pm (PDT) This fruit looks and tastes similar to jackfruit. Is just a bit more elongated, torpedo shaped, as you can see in this photo: http://www.fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/ChempadekFruitScaled.jpg In my opinion it is even better tasting than jackfruit! But biggest advantage is that chempadek is a LOT easier to clean as it does not have all the fiber or latex. You can see inside of fruit here: http://www.fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/ChempadekCrossection.jpg The only disadvantages of chempadek are that it is slower growing and the plants are much more difficult to obtain for planting. Still quite rare in Hawaii, but i encourage everyone to plant them. Oscar <><><><><><><><><> End of RFN201105B.txt <><><><><><><><><><> Rare Fruit News Online - June 1, 2011 - AKA RFN201106A.txt __________________________________________________________ <><><><> Noted In Passing - Leo <><><><> Brief Newsletter - No letters from readers - Time to pack it in? I do not want the newsletter to die a lingering death. Please write about goings on in your fruit garden, new acquisitions that we may find of interest, etc., or the newsletter will cease to exist. Our apricot trees are dropping ripe fruit faster than we would like. I will freeze some, gorge on some with gastric consequences, and maybe dry some. How do they taste and keep without sulfur? Our lychee trees seem to not have many fruit, but most mango trees are going to have a nice crop. Anna apples are coming along nicely as well. Tell us about your fruit. <><><><><><><><> Table Of Contents (TOC) <><><><><><><><> -> -> -> Messages follow the Table Of Contents <- <- <- <><><> New Subscribers (TOC) <><><> None this time <><><> Readers Write (TOC) <><><> International Fruit Symposium - Brazil 10/17 Luiz Carlos Donadio Save on Early Registration- 2011 Rare Fruit Conference Fruit&Spice Park California Rare Fruit Growers - May Complementary Newsletter Leo Manuel CRFG - fruit needed for two events Cory Krell -> -> -> -> -> -> Messages <- <- <- <- <- <- <><><><><><><><> New Subscribers <><><><><><><><><> None this time <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> Subject: International Fruit Symposium - Brazil 10/17 From: Luiz Carlos Donadio Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 22:05:51 -0300 Sinfruit Invitation Dear sir Leo- I am the chairman of the next Int Fruit Symposium-sinfruit will be held at Campinas, SP, Brasil next Oct 17 to 21, sponsored by the Sociedade Brasileira de Fruticultura(SBF) with the support of the Assc Brasileira de Frutas Raras(ABFR), which I am one of the founders two years ago.I was president of the SBF too. our plan is to have a group of the rare fruit societies of Miami, California and Australia to participate at the cited Symposium. We can offer a specific program of visit at one large fruit colletion at Rio Claro, near Campinas to the gorup, including bus traslado from Sao Paulo to Campinas and Rio Claro with a english speaking guide.Please see more information at www.sinfruit.net.br and let me know about our proposition thank you. Sincerely. Prof Luiz Carlos Donadio mailto:luizdonadio@ig.com.br ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Save on Early Registration- 2011 Rare Fruit Conference From: Fruit&Spice Park Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 00:16:24 -0400 (EDT) 2011 RARE FRUIT CONFERENCE Annona The Tropical Fruit and Vegetable Society of the Redland. Inc. and Miami Dade County Fruit & Spice Park Proudly Present 2011 Rare Fruit Conference Pre-Conference Activities Wednesday, July 6, 2011. Conference and Field Trips Thursday, July 7, 2011 to Sunday, July 10, 2011 Post Conference Tour (space is limited) Monday, July 11, 2011 EARLY REGISTRATION ENDS JUNE 1, 2011 2011 Rare Fruit Conference Hotel Reservation Booking Instructions Special Rate reservation must be made by no later than 06/19/2011 after that date reservation request will be honored based on regular rates and on a space availability basis Hotel Website On the reservation screen of the hotel direct website www.MiamiSouthHomesteadSuites.HamptonInn.com in the group/ convention code field enter : RFC 1-800-HAMPTON (426-7866) Give the reservation agent the following information Property Code: HSTFL Location: Hampton Inn - Homestead, 2855 NE 9th Street, Homestead, Florida 33033 Group code: RFC Group Name: Rare Fruit Conference Reservation may be made for any of the nights within the following window Arrival: Tuesday 7/5/11 Departure: Tuesday 7/12/11 Reservations outside of these dates may be requested directly from the hotel sales department Phone: 305-257-7000 HSTFL_Hampton_Suites@hilton.com RV & TENT Camping Facilities Miami Dade County Larry & Penny Thompson Park & Campground 12451 SW 164 Street Miami, Florida 305-232-10 To request additional information or for any questions contact Maryellen at friendsofthefruitandspicepark@gmail.com or 305-776-4619 Miami-Dade County Parks provides quality and diverse cultural and recreational experiences for persons with disabilities. To request material in accessible format, information on access for persons with disabilities, or sign language interpreter services (7 days in advance), call 305-365-6706. Fruit&Spice Park mailto:friendsofthefruitandspicepark@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: California Rare Fruit Growers - May Newsletter From: Leo Manuel Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 09:37:03 -0700 For our June meeting, we scheduled: Deciduous Fruits Round-up and taste-off Wednesday, June 22, 7:00 PM Room 101, Casa del Prado, Balboa Park, San Diego. CRFG San Diego Chapter Newsletter May 2011 June 6th is the last day to order budwood from CCPP.UCR.EDU. This will be shipped to weeks later; we plan to have a grafting workshop and pick on Saturday June 25th if the budwood makes it here on time, location and time to be announced. We will also be hosting a Society Day on Wednesday, June 29th. CRFG will feature 3 speakers at the Flower and Garden Show Stage: 1:00PM: Tom Del Hotal will speak on 'Summer and Fall Fruit Tree Care'. 4:00PM: Dave Archer will be speaking about 'New Varieties of Deciduous and Subtropical Fruits'. Free Classes by ATAC for Urban Forestry June 2: 5:30-7:30pm Sustainable Fruit Trees: Best Practices for Homes and Schools by Tom Del Hotal This presentation will provide an overview of what fruit trees do best in our region and some tips on getting the best results from your choices. Register at www.energycenter.org/forestry or Contact Robin Rivet: 858.634.4741 robin.rivet@energycenter.org San Diego CRFG Board Contact Info: Chair: Tom Del Hotal Chair@CRFGSanDiego.org (619) 454-2628 For our June meeting, we scheduled: Deciduous Fruits Round-up and taste-off Wednesday, June 22, 7:00 PM Room 101, Casa del Prado, Balboa Park June is an excellent time to take a look at the different deciduous fruit grown here is San Diego especially since they mature around this time of the year. Come and joins us to taste some of this fruit, our hope is that like them so much that you too will grow them. You can also find more information on our web site at www.CRFGSanDiego.org and in our live discussion forums at Forums.CRFGSanDiego.org. ------------------------------------------------ Subject: CRFG - fruit needed for two events From: "Cory Krell" Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 13:10:49 -0700 June Andersen is looking for fruit donations for two events: 1) A good variety of various fruit grown from your garden 2) Budda's Hand Citron (one or two) 3) Blood Oranges (lots) The first two items are for the San Diego County Fair and will be used for our table display. The last item (blood oranges) is for a fundraiser with San Diego Botanic Garden, and are needed fairly quickly. Also, if you have a nice quantity of a fun fruit to share with the public, such as Cherimoya, Oro Blanco, Mulberries, etc., we can use them to give out as samples at the San Diego County Fair. June said she'd be happy to pick up the fruit, and asks that you give her a call 760-729-3501. Cory Krell mailto:CRFG@globalinfo.com <><><><> Announcements And Web Pages To Consider <><><><> San Diego Chapter California Rare Fruit Growers Meeting: Where: Casa del Prado Building Room 101, Balboa Park When: Fourth Wednesday Of Each Month (Except December) See: http://www.crfgsandiego.org http://nc.crfgsandiego.org For North County CRFG Chapter Meeting http://www.crfg.org/chapters.html For information about ALL CRFG chapters. <><><> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HawaiiFruitlovers/ <><><> [HawaiiFruitlovers] HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com To: HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com> None this time <><><><><><><><><> End of RFN201106A.txt <><><><><><><><><><> Rare Fruit News Online - June 15, 2011 - AKA RFN201106B.txt ___________________________________________________________ <><><><> Noted In Passing - Leo <><><><> Many thanks to the readers who responded to my request for mail or be prepared for the end of RFNO. The response was heartening! Our bumper crop of apricots has come to an end, regretfully! I dehydrated some of them. They are not only dark brown, but hard and inflexible. I expect that they will be ok after re-hydrated with warm water. Our Pluot has set a much smaller crop than the apricots, which is probably why the fruit was considerably larger. The nectarine and peach crop was lighter than usual. I also believe that there will be very few lychees. Longans may be somewhat in greater supply. Please keep us posted on fruit progress in your yard. Pitaya (aka Dragon Fruit) are beginning to show flower buds and a couple have actually bloomed. Not all varieties are showing flower buds, but most of the red-fleshed ones probably are. <><><><><><><><> Table Of Contents (TOC) <><><><><><><><> -> -> -> Messages follow the Table Of Contents <- <- <- <><><> New Subscribers (TOC) <><><> New Subscriber-San Fernando Valley Wants Red fleshed peach Richard Silver Introduction and request for free newsletter Wouter van Teeffelen New Subscriber Bill Tschan <><><> Readers Write (TOC) <><><> Please Keep RFNO Coming Dale Langford My Fruit Report Edward Musgrave Why Didn't My Apricot and Nectarine Bear? Kris Re: Why Didn't My Apricot and Nectarine Bear? Leo Manuel To: Kris Fruit is not bearing, only my carrots! Weather?? James Wroble Panamanian Limon Jim Robinson Water Lemon Passionfruit - Grow In San Diego? Susan Re: Water Lemon Passionfruit - Grow In San Diego? Holzinger To: Susan Re: Water Lemon Passionfruit - Grow In San Diego? Susan To: Holzinger Rarefruit news from south Louisiana nancy Wanted - mandarinquat and a limequat kris vedadhaghi Re: Unsulfured Dried Apricots? PetMarv@aol.com Report on my Arcadia, CA Fruit Orchard Pat Wolff My trip to Bob Chambers' white sapote grove Holzinger Kokum (Garcinia indica) seeds now available Oscar Jaitt -> -> -> -> -> -> Messages <- <- <- <- <- <- <><><><><><><><> New Subscribers <><><><><><><><><> Subject: New Subscriber-San Fernando Valley Wants Red fleshed peach From: Richard Silver Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 16:31:12 -0700 (PDT) My name is Richard Silver. I am a high school teacher live in the San Fernando Valley. I have a little over half an acre where I have had some success with Fuji apples, white peaches, nectarines and plums but I am trying to raise mangos, kiwis and other more common varieties. I have had a lot of trouble with my soil and have gone to dwarf trees in boxes. I have been looking for a red fleshed peach and chestnut trees with no success. I was hopeful someone out there might be able to help me. I am interested in more exotic fruits but don't know a lot about them. I am open to suggestions. I was also trying to find lychee so if anyone know where I can get them I would be very grateful.Please put me on your subscription list. Richard Silver mailto:theglassman90302@yahoo.com [Contact NAFEX (North American Fruit Explorers) for possible leads. Contact me if you need help making connections. -Leo] ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Introduction and request for free newsletter From: "Wouter van Teeffelen" Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 22:04:10 +0200 I am Wouter van Teeffelen and an advisor for professional fruitgrowers in Holland with specialities business consulting and growing techniques appel and pear (www.fruitadvies.nl, Information on English flag). Together with a compagnon we grow 6,5 hectare pears, mostly Conference-pears. For hobby I have a garden with fruitplants and for that reason I am interesting in your newsletter for rare fruit. Greeting from Holland, Wouter van Teeffelen mailto:wte@fruitadvies.nl ------------------------------------------------ Subject: New Subscriber From: "Bill Tschan" Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:31:50 -0700 Please put me on your mailing list. Thanks Bill mailto:tarai@aitutaki.net.ck <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> Subject: Please Keep RFNO Coming From: Dale Langford Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 14:04:24 -0400 Hi, I don't have an orchard anymore, but at 82 enjoy getting your release - hope it keeps comming. Dale Langford, I wrote lawn and garden weekly articles for the Denver Rocky Mtn.. News for 44 years and had a 1 acre experimental fruit orchard, so the releases are happy to see. Dale Langford mailto:dale3693@aol.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: My Fruit Report From: "Edward Musgrave" Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:42:27 -0400 We have had 2 days in a row of 2 inches . I am trying something new with a small sugar apple, lots of natural fertilizer & water with light shade it is working much growth perhaps it will fruit. The same with yellow catalea guava. Ed mailto:eamusg@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Why Didn't My Apricot and Nectarine Bear? From: Kris Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:58:54 -0700 Hi Leo, You were mentioning apricots, my trees in Fallbrook didn't seem to blossom and nectarines are few & far between. We planted low chill 15 gallon trees last year and are puzzled. Our blackberries have been unbelievably prolific though 10-12 plants planted last June have been giving 2-3 quarts almost daily for the whole month of May. Any thoughts about the stone fruits? Kris mailto:kvedadhaghi@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Why Didn't My Apricot and Nectarine Bear? From: Leo Manuel Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 13:13:02 -0700 To: Kris Hi Kris It was raining near the blooming of my apricot and I was afraid it would wash away the pollen and all chances of fruit, but I was lucky. That may have been your trouble? My nectarines had very few fruit, so that may have been their problem. I will publish your letter for reader comment. Thanks for writing! Leo mailto:rarefruit@san.rr.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Fruit is not bearing, only my carrots! Weather?? From: James Wroble Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:02:43 -0700 (PDT) My grapes, cherimoya and raspberries don't know what season it is. The only thing going well this year is my carrots. My neighbors are having much better luck with their citrus trees. Lots of grapefruit and lemons. The loquat tree did not produce like it did last year, maybe it has large harvests every other year? I'm waiting to get my "spring" this years still and I'm hoping for a nice, hot summer but I don't think so this year. I'll have to check my Farmer's Almanac. Hope everyone else is having a better season than I am. Hang in there Leo! James from Tustin, CA mailto:jhwroble@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Panamanian Limon From: Jim Robinson Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:04:27 -0500 Leo et al. I would be interested in any opinions you might have in helping me identify and locate this fruit. A number of years ago, I was fishing from a cloud forest area of the Darien peninsula. There is a little, very remote lodge there to service the fishing. A slice of fruit was placed in my ice tea which had a green rind and light orange meat. The taste was quite sweet barely acidic at all. When I asked what the fruit was, I was told simply "limon" and was directed to several trees growing nearby. The trees were within the lodge area, so they might have been native or they might have been brought in. I have never been able to find them again. The trees were about 12 to 15 ft. tall and looked typically citrus-y if you know what I mean. All the fruits I saw were green. The largest I saw were rather smaller than your orange, perhaps 2.5 or in. in diameter. Any ideas what this was or where I could obtain one? Jim Robinson mailto:Jim@NineFlamingo.Com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Water Lemon Passionfruit - Grow In San Diego? From: "Susan" Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:06:01 -0700 Hi Leo, I was wondering if anyone on this list was familiar with a type of passionfruit called Jamaican Lilikoi? I believe it is also called Water Lemon Passionfruit. The fruit has a yellow/orange oval shape with greyish pulp, it is not the common yellow passionfruit which is more pale yellow and round. I know it grows on Oahu, Hawaii. I'd like to grow it in San Diego, but have never seen it here. It's a very delicious fruit! Thanks in advance for any info on this. Blessings, Susan Garza mailto:onechristian@sbcglobal.net From: "Holzinger" To: "Susan" Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Water Lemon Passionfruit - Grow In San Diego? The passion fruit referred to is Passiflora laurifolia. It's pretty tropical and I don't think it would survive outside in the continental US, except possibly the southern part of Florida. I've tried to grow it from seeds obtained in Hawaii but without success. It would take a big greenhouse in San Diego to flower and fruit this species of passiflora. Bob mailto:holzinger@roadrunner.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Water Lemon Passionfruit - Grow In San Diego? From: "Susan" Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:28:34 -0700 To: "Holzinger" Thank you for the info Bob!! I found it on this site. http://www.tradewindsfruit.com/water_lemon.htm I know it grows like a weed on Oahu. My friend who used to live there said it was very invasive and she would go on hikes and find it growing all over, up trees and the like. For me, it was the best tasting passionfruit I have ever had, mild with almost a hint of coconut to it. We get a few different varieties of the purple and red passionfruit here at the local Farmer's Market, but I have yet to find the orange passionfruit. Since it grows in Hawaii, I thought I might have a chance with it here in North San Diego. It doesn't frost where I live (close to the ocean), so winters are mild. Has anyone here in San Diego had any success growing Passiflora Laurifolia? Or know of anyone who has?? Thanks again! Susan mailto:onechristian@sbcglobal.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Rarefruit news from south Louisiana From: nancy Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Greetings, Leo I read the news, but sometimes inertia gets the better of me, and I don't contribute. Our typical Lafayette, LA winter has 2-3 nights that are below freezing (not far below, though); the 2009-2010 winter had 9, and the 2010-2011 winter had 29, with a number of nights in the 'teens! Arctic by our sissy southern standards - we like to barbecue, in shorts and flip-flops, on both Thanksgiving and Christmas. To my surprise, two white sapote and a starfruit both came back last year and again this year after dying all the way down to the ground. None will be large enough to fruit again until next year, barring another "global warming" winter season. The starfruit is particularly attractive in flower and in fruit, and the fruit was large and delicious. My tamarillo, after surviving many winters, could not withstain a hosing-down with Roundup+ (by my future ex-husband!). I was able to gather some pre-collapse fruits, and have seedlings to plant out this fall. I have threatened to take away his power tools if there is another incident... We need 18 months with no severe freeze to have the bananas set fruit; we are overdue for a mild winter or two. I do have fruits on jujube, fig, and a few types of guava. Elderberry grows wild everywhere, can be invasive without vigilance, but smells lovely right now in flower. The fruits make a fairly lethal cordial. Regards Nancy Anne Rowe mailto:platotoldhim@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Wanted - mandarinquat and a limequat From: kris vedadhaghi Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:43:17 -0700 Oh yes, one more question, does anyone know where to acquire a lemonquat or an orangequat tree? I have mandarinquat and a limequat, but are having a difficult time locating these two. Thanks, Kris mailto:kvedadhaghi@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Unsulfured Dried Apricots? From: PetMarv@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 11:53:15 -0400 (EDT) I love Apricots that have been dried without sulfur. They do turn dark but who needs bright orange, they keep for many years un sulfured and keep that wonderful taste! Plus for those of us who don't appreciate the gas that sulfur causes, Apricots in their brown state are wonderful! Pet Daniels mailto:PetMarv@aol.com Central Coast Chapter of CRFG ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Report on my Arcadia, CA Fruit Orchard From: "Pat Wolff" Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 17:09:54 -0700 OK, about my fruit: Remember, I kept my papayas from entirely freezing by putting plastic over them? Well I needn't have bothered. They didn't die altogether, but they are so sad, they might as well have; they've lost all their vigor. And some of the smaller ones did die. Next time we plant papayas I'm going to make an enclosed temporary greenhouse out of the old swingset and put an oldstyle 100 watt lightbulb in it on frost warning nights. But I haven't torn out the remaining living plants, maybe when it gets hot in July they'll wake up. They have leaves now, about half-size. I'm hoping! I'm so happy about my grafts! Most of them took, surprise! And the apricot onto peach from last year is ripening its fruit now, I urgently hope for this tree, too, because someone said sometimes graft incompatibiliy doesn't show up until the third year. But right now, oh boy, gotta find the air rifle to shoot the thieving squirrels! Pat Wolff mailto:partwolff@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: My trip to Bob Chambers' white sapote grove From: Holzinger Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 21:31:31 -0700 Hi Leo, On Tuesday morning of last week I met four guys at a motel in Fallbrook and from there we drove to Bob Chambers' property with its 200 white sapote trees. These guys were from Central and Northern California and they came down for a day of exploring and scion wood collecting. We arrived at the groves (Bob has his trees planted in seven groves) at 8:00 am and didn't leave the property until 5:45 pm. We had a map of the property, but it became clear early on that identifying specific trees by cultivar name was not going to be that easy. After walking around and through some of the groves, Bob Chambers arrived at 10 am and we immediately had Bob straighten us out in several of the groves of interest. These scion collectors had specific cultivars targeted and we had Bob help us identify key trees, such as Rainbow, Reinecke Commercial, Cate, Salad and Rixford. We moved on to another grove and Bob help us locate Bravo, Ortega, Tremont and Michele, although Michele looked like the graft may have been lost and only the rootstock was left growing. This grove also had other fruit trees growing and fruiting, including a Montero Lucma, an abiu, Anna apples, Vincent kiwi, a seedling pummelo, and others. The next grove had named white sapote trees of Walton, Malibu #1, Malibu #3, Fournoy, and Nettie. Bob also located two seedling trees that had good fruits and they were newly named Roa and Clytia, the latter was Bob's wife's favorite fruit. The last grove where scion wood was collected had trees of McDill, GoldGlobe, and Pritchard. GoldGlobe and Selck trees had ripe fruit for tasting and were found in most of the groves, so fruits were collected and sampled. I found their taste to be acceptable, but not above average for white sapotes. In one grove there were literally hundreds of seedlings under the Cuccio and Pike trees and we dug up several to take home for use as rootstocks. There were a lot of extraneous trees and bushes growing in all groves and sometimes you couldn't see the white sapote trees for the forest. When the trees of interest were surrounded by these other trees, we used lopers and a chainsaw (with Bob's approval) to clear out the undergrowth so that we could get better access to the trees. I think a month of clearing activity by several people would be needed to clear the groves of the extraneous growth. The grove with Walton, the Malibus and Fournoy in particular could use some more chainsaw activity. By the end of the day we all agreed that it was a great opportunity to be able to visit the grove and to talk to Bob Chambers while walking through the groves, but I think we all would like to revisit the property in the fall when the majority of the trees have ripe fruit. Some of the trees at this time had ripe fruit as noted, but the majority of the cultivars had only small fruit or just flowers. Bob graciously invited us to come back to sample the fruit and I know I will be back to collect fruit for a taste test at the San Diego Chapter of CRFG. I had not seen Bob for twenty years or more and he really looked good for 88. In fact he drove himself down from Studio City and got around the groves as well as we did. All in all a great day of exploration and scion collecting. I mainly took pictures, but the others were collecting the wood for distribution to at least another 10 people, with the intention of establishing trees of many cultivars in different locations so none would be lost if the tree or trees in Bob's groves were somehow lost. If you have any interest in seeing the groves, I would be happy to take you there and show you what we found. Take care, Bob mailto:Holzinger@roadrunner.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Kokum (Garcinia indica) seeds now available From: Oscar Jaitt Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 19:52:01 -1000 A couple of issues ago the CRFG Fruit Gardener magazine had an article about kokum fruit written by Ken Love, lavishing lots of praise on the fruit, saying it was even better than mangosteen. I thought you would like to know that i am now offering seed of kokum for sale. Before it was not possible to obtain this seed in the USA. Maybe you can pass this on to appropriate people in the magazine? The kokum seed offering is in my seed page: http://www.fruitlovers.com/seedlist.html Thank you, Oscar Jaitt mailto:Holzinger@roadrunner.com <><><><> Announcements And Web Pages To Consider <><><><> San Diego Chapter California Rare Fruit Growers Meeting: Where: Casa del Prado Building Room 101, Balboa Park When: Fourth Wednesday Of Each Month (Except December) See: http://www.crfgsandiego.org http://nc.crfgsandiego.org For North County CRFG Chapter Meeting http://www.crfg.org/chapters.html For information about ALL CRFG chapters. <><><> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HawaiiFruitlovers/ <><><> [HawaiiFruitlovers] HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com To: HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com> None this time <><><><><><><><><> End of RFN201106B.txt <><><><><><><><><><> Rare Fruit News Online - July 1, 2011 - AKA RFN201107A.txt __________________________________________________________ <><><><> Noted In Passing - Leo <><><><> Cherry of the Rio Grande (Eugenia aggregata) - I have had my tree for quite a few years, and never had much fruit until this spring. I believe that the tree had not had enough water before, at least, I increased it for this year. We ate several quarts of delicious, dark-skinned fruit, but the season may be ending. (By the way, our increase in water usage resulted in a sizeable increase in the water bill.) Picture: http://toptropicals.com/pics/garden/05/eric/0030.jpg It is perhaps the best-tasting of the Eugenias. Do you agree? <><><><><><><><> Table Of Contents (TOC) <><><><><><><><> -> -> -> Messages follow the Table Of Contents <- <- <- <><><><><><><><> New Subscribers <><><><><><><><><> None this time <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> RE: The Jamaican Lilikois-Passiflora laurifolia Oscar Jaitt June North County CRFG Newsletter CRFG Rare Fruit Council-Palm Beach-Fruit Tree Sale 7/16/11 Joel Vinikoor Blackberry problem; Need organic solution Pat Wolff Five Gal 5 Ft Tall Citrus for $12.50! K Lakomy Flavor Supreme Pluot in SLO Joe Sabol To: Tom Spellman Nectarines and Blackberries lindasun@alldial.net To: kvedadhaghi@gmail.com Apricots ! lindasun@alldial.net To: kvedadhaghi@gmail.com FW: Bee Hive needs home K Lakomy David and the Goji Berry response!!! Joe Sabol To: David Johnson My garden update-In Coastal San Diego Cielo -> -> -> -> -> -> Messages <- <- <- <- <- <- <><><><><><><><> New Subscribers <><><><><><><><><> None this time <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> Subject: RE: The Jamaican Lilikois-Passiflora laurifolia From: Oscar Jaitt Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:46:00 -1000 Bob Holzinger is correct, the jamaican lilikois is Passiflora laurifolia. I don't think he is correct that this fruit is very tropical. I would consider it a sub tropical. Here in Hawaii it does not fruit well below 1000 ft. elevation. I grow this fruit at 650 ft. and it rarely fruits for lack of chill. So I think it would do well in warmer areas of Southern California, like along the coast, as long as there is no frost. The real lilikoi, Passiflora edulis var. flavicarpa, is truly tropical and grows here all along the coast. Oscar, Oscar Jaitt mailto:fruitlovers@hotmail.com Hawaii ------------------------------------------------ Subject: June North County CRFG Newsletter From: "CRFG" Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:32:26 -0700 SD Fair Volunteers Still Needed! By Harry Nickerson and Carol Graham Thursday 30 June - 2-5PM need two more Friday 1 July - 11AM-2PM need one more Sunday 3 July - 10AM-1PM and 1-4PM need two more (DESPERATE NEED-no one signed up for either shift this day) 2011 Festival of Fruit; Hosted by AZRFG, the Ariz. chap. of CRFG AZRFG will be holding the 2011 Festival Of Fruit between Thurs., Nov. 3, and Sun., Nov. 6. Local tours will be held Thursday, Friday, and Sunday. The main event, which includes seminars, meals, and classes, will take place on the Arizona State University Campus in Tempe, AZ, on Nov. 5, 2011. CRFG members from all over the country will be converging on Arizona for this annual event. Members of the general public are also welcome to attend. Plant vendors will also be invited. Please go to our registration page to register. Have a question or a comment for us? Please email us at jennyhome@msn.com, and well respond as quickly as possible. CRFG North San Diego County Chapter Harry Nickerson 1815 Yettford RD Vista CA 92083 http://nc.crfgsandiego.org Calendar Activities N. County CRFG June 17, Fri. 7pm CRFG-NSDC Meeting @ MiraCosta College, Oceanside, Student Center RM 3450 (note the new location!) Summer Pruning for More Fruit with Dr. Andy Hudson July 10, Sun. - Shared SD chapter potluck/picnic at Sundance Ranch. July 16, Sat. - Shared NC chapter potluck/picnic at SDBG July 23, Sat.10am t- Tour of Bob Meyers Orchard Aug. - No meeting; Tour of Jim Rockoff and Art & Dottie Logans gardens; air layering demo Sept. 16, Fri. 7pm CRFG-NSDC Meeting - Drought Tolerant Fruit with Roger Meyer; Jujube tasting Sept. 16-18, Fri.-Sun. - SD Home & Garden Show Sept. 24, Sat. 10am - Tour Kinnard and Lau Garden More Doin's June 18, Sat. 10-3 - Master Gardeners Plant Sale, Room 101, Casa del Prado, Balboa PK June 22, Wed. 7pm CRFG-SD Chapter Meeting @ Balboa PK, Casa del Prado, Rm. 101 Deciduous Fruits Round-up & Taste-off July 27, Wed. 7pm CRFG-SD Chapter Meeting @ Balboa PK, Casa del Prado, Rm. 101 Mango Fandango: Panel on Mango Varieties, Grafting and Culture; Mangoes and Ice Cream Social MiraCosta Horticulture Department Nursery Open 9 am- 2 pm Mon, Wed, and Fri (closed on school holidays) Stocked with a diverse selection of ornamental and edible plants, including drought tolerant & California-friendly plants for your gardening needs! Knowledgeable staff to assist you in selecting the appropriate plants for your garden. Unique plant selection is continually changing Support your local community college Horticulture program! For additional information call 760.757.2121 x6994. For Information To Control Pocket Gophers, See: http://cesandiego.ucdavis.edu/Home_Gardening_and_Pest_Control/ http://cesandiego.ucdavis.edu/Agriculture,_Horticulture_and_Landscape/ http://cesandiego.ucdavis.edu/files/74121.pdf http://cesonoma.ucdavis.edu/files/27165.pdf http://ceyolo.ucdavis.edu/files/53002.pdf http://ipm.ucdavis.edu/QT/gopherscard.html http://ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn7433.html New Meeting Room! Were growing and have outgrown our current meeting space. For this next meeting we have reserved Room 3450 in the MiraCosta College Student Center at 1 Barnard DR, Oceanside CA 92056, which holds 80 people. See a campus map at http://nc.crfgsandiego.org/Portals/2/map_ocn.pdf Master Gardeners Annual Plant Sale Sat. June 18, 10-3, Room 101, Casa del Prado, Balboa Park, mastergardenerssandiego.org Harry ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Rare Fruit Council-Palm Beach-Fruit Tree Sale 7/16/11 From: "Joel Vinikoor" Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:22:58 -0400 Hi Leo, Please make the following announcement in your next newsletter: Rare Fruit Council-Palm Beach Chapter will hold a huge Fruit Tree Sale at the South Florida Fairgrounds in West Palm Beach, Florida. Saturday July 16, 2011. 9 AM to 2 PM. Large selection of mangos, bananas, avocados, citrus, lychees, canistel, jackfruit and hundreds of other tropical fruit trees in addition to herb and spice plants. Arrive early for the best selection. For more information email Joel joelv@bellsouth.net Thanks, Joel VinikoorOscar Jaitt mailto:fruitlovers@hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Blackberry problem; Need organic solution From: "Pat Wolff" Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:06:37 -0700 Last spring I got some blackberry and youngberry starts from a friend in Altadena, CA. They are growing like mad and I have gotten some delicious berries, but her vines are infested with a nasty pest this year which causes the berries to rot from the inside out, apparently is some tiny insect which lays eggs on the green fruit, which hatch into tiny maggots, which make foamy fermented plus foul tasting stuff around the core of the berry. Even if only one druplet (is that the right term?) is infested, the whole berry is ruined! She has a large crop now, but it's all ruined. Anybody know what that is, and how to prevent it? We are basically organic types, so I don't want to just spray poison everywhere. Pat Wolff mailto:partwolff@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Five Gallon 5 Ft Tall Citrus for $12.50! From: K Lakomy Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Fellow Fruit Gardeners, Home Depot has received a wide assortment of citrus trees, including many named varieties of lime, lemon, tangerine, orange, grapefruit etc. They are 5 gallon, 5 foot tall, healthy specimens selling for $12.50. All are on standard rootstock. All Home Depots have received shipments, but not all have received the same varieties. If you are in the market for citrus, this is a nice opportunity for you! Good Luck. Karen Lakomy CRFG - San Diego MEmbership & Hospitality ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Flavor Supreme Pluot in SLO From: Joe Sabol Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:18:13 -0700 (PDT) To: Tom Spellman Hi Tom... Happy Summer to you!!! I bought my Flavor Supreme Pluot tree from Bay Laurel Nursery way back in 1992. It is a full sized tree (way too big for the Spellman/Laivo Rule) and has had an average of 6 to 12 very nice fruit a year. Cross pollination is not a problem, I have dozens of other plums, apricots, Pluots in bloom at the same time. Tom, The Flavor Supreme is by far, the very best tasting fruit we grow. I bag up each fruit individually to keep the birds from taking even one bite. I have been pleased with this low number of fruit as I eat each fruit within 10 to 12 seconds of picking. Tom: As the tree gets older, I am convinced it has decided it will never get enough chill in San Luis Obispo. The tree has decided to slowly give me more and more fruit regardless of the DWN chill estimates. I might have 100 nice sized Flavor Supreme fruit this year. Yes, one hundred!! It has been worth the wait. I might have enough to bring a few in the house this year and share one with Jill. Joe mailto:jsabol@calpoly.edu [Tell us about the bags you use for fruit to protect from birds.] ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Nectarines and Blackberries From: lindasun@alldial.net Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:44:56 -0400 To: kvedadhaghi@gmail.com Dear Kris, Congratulations on your blackberries! If you just planted your Nectarines last year you probably need to wait another year or two for maturity. I am assuming that you planted the graft (the bud union) one inch above the soil.) Peaches and Nectarines need more nitrogen than most other fruit trees. Blood meal at 3 to 5 kg per mature tree (6.6 to 11 pounds) or calcium ammonium nitrate at 1/2 to 1 kg (1 to 2 pounds), but better yet, lots and lots of compost. If your tree is growing well and is not a genetic dwarf, remember that you must prune severely in January or February. A continual supply of new, young wood is essential. Some Nectarines at 300 chill hours or fewer: Artic Star, Desert Delight, Gulf Pride, Panamint, Pioneer, Snor Queen, Southern Belle, Sunred. UCR found that Brown Rot fungus susceptibility was increased by excessive nitrogen fertilization and pre-harvest calcium sprays reduced the infection, but not as well as fungicidal control. I hope that some of this helps, Linda Sun Kilfeather mailto:lindasun@alldial.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Apricots ! From: lindasun@alldial.net Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 01:59:41 -0400 To: kvedadhaghi@gmail.com Dear Kris, I didn't notice that you also had the same problem with apricots. Fruiting begins in the second year, but substantial bearing begins at 3 to 5 years. Do not irrigate Apricots ater leaf fall. Some sources, the University of California, for example, say that Apricots require cross-pollenizing and that 2 varieties should be planted. The flower and fruit spur dies within 2 to 5 years and must be pruned periodically so that it will be replaced by new growth. Prune in SUMMERTIME, when it is dry, to avoid disease from pruning cuts. So not use lime-sulphur on apricots as it damages the shoots. USE NO SULFUR AT ALL. Use copper fungicides only. You probably already know all this, and I wish you the best of luck. Linda Sun Killfeather mailto:lindasun@alldial.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: FW: Bee Hive needs home From: K Lakomy Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Fellow Fruit Gardeners, The following is a message forwarded from CRFG member Britt Cool. If you are interested in the bee hive, please contact her directly. Karen Lakomy CRFG - San Diego --- On Sun, 6/26/11, San diego Water recycling wrote: Hello: Can you send this to the group. Would anyone like to have a birdhouse with a bee colony in it? It is already established, they could just put it up on a fence at the back of their property, wouldn't have to work the hive, just let it be there to pollinate in their fruit trees and garden. I could pick it up and move it into their yard. I don't have use for another bee hive in my yard. Britt Cool mailto:sandiegowaterrecycling@yahoo.com www.SanDiegoWaterRecycling.com 619-752-5922 ------------------------------------------------ Subject: David and the Goji Berry response!!! From: Joe Sabol Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:47:01 -0700 (PDT) To: David Johnson David: Another fantastic response to a tough question!!! You are amazing!!! You are also a treasure for CRFG and for all who have tough questions. Thanks for sharing!!! Joe mailto:jsabol@calpoly.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Johnson" To: darkempressoftheunderworld@yahoo.com, "all on C RFG" Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:17:34 AM Subject: RE: Goji Berry? Kayleen I only have one plant left, that I dug up and survived, still alive in a one gallon pot, and hiding behind some seedling guavas, and maybe still alive. I dug up dozens and dozens of seedlings and rooted suckers coming up from the roots a few years ago, and had only a very slight survival rate, one survived out of over 50 plants carefully dug and quickly replanted to pots, and kept in the partial shade. Apparently they do not respond well to transplanting, if the roots are disturbed very much; the Goji berry plants I got were in pots, from Timpanagos Nursery, out of Utah, most likely seedlings or rooted cuttings. The Wolfberry plants came from Burnt Ridge Nursery, from Washington State, also in small pots, and also not bare root. Not quite sure how to help you, find better plant sources, the plants I got were just fine, and grew nicely. The Goji plants grew from a 12 inch seedling, to like 4 feet tall the first season, and set fruit the following season, so the wait is not too long. The problem now would be getting plants at all online, most online are often out on high demand items, but maybe the demand is lower now and you could find some. I have never had a problem with Burnt Ride Nursery , but they don't seem to have any right now. I looked and noticed that One Green World http://www.onegreenworld.com//index.php?cPath=4_119 has an actualy varietal strain of Goji berry, from Northern China, called Crimson Star, but it is pricey, $20; Rain Tree Nursery http://www.raintreenursery.com/Berries/Goji_Berry/ ; their price $10 for a different type of selection of a better then average strain, I would also check the CRFG Member Nursery list online, they might have others, these are nurseries you could put more trust in. I tried to access it and it keeps freezing up my computer, and never goes there, so think at the moment the site is down or my computer is a bit overloaded; you can do a google search for CRFG and find it later. I hope it is ok , I am also going to copy this to a few others in the California Rare Fruit Growers organization, of which I belong, which like myself, help others to find answers to their fruit growing questions . The strains I had, were not a very good ones, as far as I was concerned, a basic first strain offered to the retail public market years ago, fruit is fairly small on both strains of Lycium barbarum. After fruit appeared on my plants, right off I noticed that the fruits were much smaller then what I saw in pictures. A couple years or so ago, noticed that some online vendors were now selling the more commercial developed much larger fruiting strains from Asia. The Wolfberry fruits were not very tasty, somewhat bitter; the Goji berry fruits were nice, pleasant, somewhat sweet and tasty. If you read my posts on Cloudforest Cafe, you may of seen, that there was a definite difference between Goji berry and Wolf berry plants, though more recently, I have noticed a blending of the two strains online, as far as adversing and data. I found both very invasive from the roots, sending up sucker plants all along their root systems, on second season roots. My backyard quickly became a mess, one large stickery thicket, that I eventually cut down and used Roundup to kill out; to take my backyard back. The Goji that was a upright growing plant, was the most invasive and grew to a hight of around 8 feet tall. The Wolfberry plants, grew more like grape vines, and were covered with very nasty 1 inch long very sharp thorns every 1 to 2 inches along the canes. the Goji berry plants were not so bad in this area, they had scattered sharp twigs, more like on a Pomegranate tree. Invasiveness, I guess compare them to cane berries, but on steroids, especially the Goji berry plants, if the conditions are right, they had plenty of damp sandy loam soil available. Maybe they like sandy soils much better, could be one reason they did not fruit so well for me, just a tough. A local CRFG had some Goji plants, his has spread some by roots, but not like mine did, he has very sandy soil, and surface and subsurface moisture of the soil is drastically much lower then mine, except at time of watering; his plants were not as aggressive, and accordingly not as invasive, compared to mine. Also, when birds eat the berries and they will, they spread the plant around as well, if they find damp ground to spout and grow in when first starting out, they will start new plants. So now I have to wonder, where have the birds possibly taken them to in my local area. Neither were very productive for me, here in the Central Valley, at my place, I think the summers were too hot, for thier liking or something, or maybe my heavier soils, not sure. Both grow normally in higher elevations, in old glacial valleys, normally lighter and looser soils, which maybe cooler, and most likely have soils of much higher mineral nutrient content. I did notice a problem with mildew, especially on the Wolfberry plants. David Johnson San Joaquin Valley Chapter, CRFG ------------------------------------------------ Subject: My garden update-In Coastal San Diego From: Cielo Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Hi Leo, It's been a while since I wrote. Since I'm taking a sabbatical from the nutty fruit club this year, I've realized that I could have used all that time to myself and my garden. A lot of our fruit trees are flowering/fruiting for the first time this year, and some fruiting more this year. First time flowering/fruiting: concord grapes, muscadine, Barbados cherry, pitomba, lychees and longans. Whether or not the fruits will hold, these mango trees have fruits: neelum, Julie, turpentine (bought from you), oro and valencia pride. Fruiting avocados: Reed, Hass, Stewart and JB; the others queen and kona sharweil are doing nicely. Last year, our jaboticaba had 2 fruits; this year had about a dozen! The jambolan (duhat) had 2 fruits last year. The pink wax jambu has a couple dozens of fruits this year. This year, we built a large chicken coop for our 3 hens we've raised since 2 weeks old. They're about 8 months old now, and we get 3 brown eggs/day from them. We usually don't have extras because they're either eaten fresh or gifted to neighbors and friends. We let them free range when we can supervise them, but not on their own because of neighborhood cats. I compost their manure. It's funny that I can't find enough weeds in the garden to satisfy their appetite for them. We pick weeds for them on our way back from walking our dog in the neighborhood. People thank us, and say "Hey, we have more in the back yard you can have!" This is it for now. I hope to write more often, but something always comes up:-) Cielo Coastal San Diego mailto:cielo_g@yahoo.com <><><><> Announcements And Web Pages To Consider <><><><> San Diego Chapter California Rare Fruit Growers Meeting: Where: Casa del Prado Building Room 101, Balboa Park When: Fourth Wednesday Of Each Month (Except December) See: http://www.crfgsandiego.org http://nc.crfgsandiego.org For North County CRFG Chapter Meeting http://www.crfg.org/chapters.html For information about ALL CRFG chapters. <><><> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HawaiiFruitlovers/ <><><> [HawaiiFruitlovers] HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com To: HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com> None this time <><><><><><><><><> End of RFN201107A.txt <><><><><><><><><><> Rare Fruit News Online - July 15, 2011 - AKA RFN201107B.txt ___________________________________________________________ <><><><> Notes In Passing - Leo <><><><> Catastrophy! My computer crashed, taking everything down, and this brief newsletter will not have much that readers have sent since July 1. Also the mailing list does not include any changes made to the list since May, 2010! Please send any information to possibly be of interest to readers. Our weather has been unseasonably mild for several days, with highs in the 70s F. Too good to last, however. Pitaya flowers have been profuse for me. However the lychee has no sign of fruit. Cherry of the Rio Grande are no longer on the tree, but they were great for the several weeks before. Peggy Winter's mango tree is bearing heavily, more than any other mango. Please be sure to write about your summer and the fruits that are 'happening.' <><><><><><><><><> Table Of Contents <><><><><><><><><> -> -> -> Messages follow the Table Of Contents <- <- <- <><><> New Subscribers <><><> None this time <><><> Readers Write <><><> Gac Fruit Linda Sun Kilfeather To: "Sainarong" -> -> -> -> -> -> Messages <- <- <- <- <- <- <><><><><><><><> New Subscribers <><><><><><><><><> None this time <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> Subject: Gac fruit From: Linda Sun Kilfeather To: "CRFG Sainarong" Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 16:14:39 -0400 Dear Sainarong, I saw your note in the CRFG newsletter. I have been growing Gac fruit for about one year (although not too well). It us used to prepare a special rice dish at Chinese New Year and also for weddings and other special occasions. The "fruit" itself is a gourd, teardrop shaped with small spines which do not pierce a person's skin. The gourd is a beautiful, shiny bright orange and when cut open, the seeds are all stacked up in rows, like a cacao fruit, and each seed (about the size of a quarter, but 4 times as thick) is covered with dark red-orange material which has the consistency of custard. This is what provides the extremely high vitamin A precursor. The seeds, with their custardy covering are added to rice, which is then cooked and becomes an electric orange, or a fluorescent orange, which is very attractive, but has no taste. Two scoops of the orange rice are put together on a plate and two of the cooked seeds sit atop as a decoration. The seeds are called "wooden turtles" because, whether cooked or raw, they look like those chocolate candies called "turtles". It seemed to me that importing them every year was a lot of trouble if we could grow them here, so I finally found a gourd in "Little Saigon" which is a section in Westminster in Orange County. I scraped the coating off each seed and planted them and about 12 plants came up. They have very green, bright shiny leaves that are shaped somewhat like grape leaves, or tiny maple leaves, about 2 inches in each direction, and the plants have tendrils like grapes, which grasp anything nearby. They do not appreciate any freezes that we have during January or February and seem to prefer light shade. The plants are about a year old, but are only about a foot high. They should probably be separated and fertilized. They do not object to "wet feet", but do not insist on constant watering. Maybe If I am lucky, eventually I will see flowers, but these vines are dioecious and, as yet, I am unable to tell males from females. The botanical name is Momordica (which means "to bite" [like snapping turtles]) cochinchinensis (Cochinchina is a region in North Vietnam). Since that name is unwieldy, I call them Momo cochinchin. Any comments are appreciated. Linda Sun Kilfeather <><><><> Announcements And Web Pages To Consider <><><><> San Diego Chapter California Rare Fruit Growers Meeting: Where: Casa del Prado Building Room 101, Balboa Park When: Fourth Wednesday Of Each Month (Except December) See: http://www.crfgsandiego.org http://nc.crfgsandiego.org For North County CRFG Chapter Meeting http://www.crfg.org/chapters.html For information about ALL CRFG chapters. <> Agricultural Research Service (ARS) ars>news@arsgrin.gov <> http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/thelatest.htm. None this time <><><><><><><><><> End of RFN201107B.txt <><><><><><><><><><> Rare Fruit News Online - August 1, 2011 - AKA RFN201108A.txt ____________________________________________________________ <><><><> Noted In Passing - Leo <><><><> Computer problems solved, hopefully without the loss of much data. I had to replace the hard drive in my computer, but it was under warranty, so I only suffered a week or so in lost sleep getting data transferred. I am unduly excited that Monarch butterflies have come calling leaving scores of caterpillars. There is an ample supply of milkweed (asclepias curassavica) to give them sufficient fodder for the summer. Anna apples are nearing the end of the season. It is my favorite by far, but other varieties will ripen later in the fall. As I've said, I see no fruit on my large Brewster lychee. Some mango trees have set heavily, but some may be alternate in bearing. Please tell us about your summer fruit. Climate varies dramatically around the country. Our summer has been cooler than usual, but it seems pretty bad in many states. <><><><><><><><> Table Of Contents (TOC) <><><><><><><><> -> -> -> Messages follow the Table Of Contents <- <- <- <><><> New Subscribers (TOC) <><><> New Subscriber - Agora Hills, CA k. udani New Subscriber - Houston TX Robert Lucey <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> Pitaya harvest dates? thomas odell David Archar's New Web Page - bonitafruittrees.com David Archer CRFG July 2011 Newsletter Fang Liu Randia Formosa buy - Google Search Leo Manuel To: Kris Passiflora - tropical or not tropical Holzinger Non-acidic citrus from June 15th newsletter lindasun@alldial.net To: Jim@NineFlamingo.Com Re: non-acidic citrus from June 15th newsletter Jim Robinson To: lindasun@alldial.net Pitaya harvest dates? Thomas odell -> -> -> -> -> -> Messages <- <- <- <- <- <- <><><><><><><><> New Subscribers <><><><><><><><><> Subject: New Subscriber - Agora Hills, CA Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:15:39 -0700 From: "k. udani" Hello Leo: My name is Kanak Udani. I live in Agoura Hills, CA and I am interested in growing tropical fruit trees in my back yard. We moved to California from the midwest about 10 years ago and have started growing some trees. I have planted two Alfonso mango plants, two chremoyas, one guava, one pomegranate and one dwarf peach tree. in the last one year. I am also interested in Rose Apple (Syzygium jambos). My biggest constraint is availability of space. I have a very small backyard and it is all in the form of a 45 degree slope. Agoura hills is located halfway between Los Angeles and Santa Barbars bordering freeway 101. During the months of December and January, the nighttime temperature gets down little below freezing. I would be most interested in learning about how to grow these trees successfully and would appreciate your as well as your readers' comments. Thank you. Kanak Udani mailto:kudani1@yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: New Subscriber - Houston TX From: Robert Lucey Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 12:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Hi Leo, Please subscribe me to your newsletter. My name is Rob Lucey. I am a Texas Master Gardener living in Houston for the past two years. I am enjoying attempting to cultivate a variety of fruits in our suburban-style landscape. Papayas, pineapples, Moro blood oranges, persimmons, dragon fruit cactus, banans and other fruit trees and vines dot our landscape. I enjoy experimenting with different varieties, but am occasionally thwarted by our extreme weather swings and other challenges. After living on a boat for more than five years, I had a pent up need to dig into the dirt after moving back ashore a few years ago. Completing the Master Gardener course two years ago helped assuage that need. Among other duties, I currently serve as editor of our county Master Gardener Association newsletter, the Urban Dirt. Rob Lucey mailto:rob_lucey@yahoo.com <><><><><><><><><> Readers Write<><><><><><><><><><> Subject: Pitaya harvest dates? From: thomas odell Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 13:24:07 -0700 Hi Manuel; My name is Tom Odell and I live in the Northwest corner of Washington State. I am not an orchardist, but garden whenever I can. I would like to sample some varieties of pitaya in your area, so I am writing to you to ask your advice on when I should visit to catch the harvest at it's peak and where would I best be able to sample fruit varieties and get a taste of your local farmers' market. Thank you, Tom mailto:todell64@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Blackberry maggots (fwd) From: lindasun@alldial.net Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 14:21:18 -0400 ----------Forwarded message ---------- From: lindasun@alldial.net To: partwolff@yahoo.com Subject: blackberry maggots Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:28:33 -0400 Dear Pat, I went to the Blackberry Seminar on June 29th at Mira Costa College. Here are part of my notes from that talk given by Mark Bolda: This is caused by Drosophila (means fruit-loving) maggots which occur on raspberries, cherries, blueberries and blackberries. You see the flies in mid to late July. They are the same genus as the fruit flies on bananas, but these lay eggs on the maturing fruit. Only the male fly has spots on his wings. Look for these flies. See on Google for management. Yeast baits or apple cider vinegar can be attractants when the flies come into the fields. ENTRUST, a Spinosad bacterial treatment works well for a week. PYGANIC, a pyrethrin does well for 1-2 days of control. Do not leave any rotten fruit on the ground; the fly lays eggs in rotting fruit. Watch your neighbors' property too if they are growing blackberries. Wasps can be introduced, but they only control .5% (one half of one percent) of the population. The flies pupate in the soil. Do not use ADMIRE. Audience: Our population exploded last year and we now use MONTERREY INSECT SPRAY, which is a Spinosad bacterial formulation. Mark: If yo go over 6 sprayings then the insects develop resistance to the pesticide so rotate Spinosad with the pyrethroids. The time when the flies are around is only from mid-July to the end of September, and maybe into October. Don't spray in the morning because it kills the bees; spray at night. Audience: We use bait also and found that the flies love cheap white wine. When I washed the fruit the larvae wiggled out. Mark: yes, rice wine works well too is and cheaper than the other baits. A jar with 4 holes in the lid with 100 ml of bait solution is used. Audience: We used a large yoghurt container. Audience: BUG BUSTER O is what we used since we are organic. It is a pyrethrin and the "O" is for "organic" I hope this helps, Linda mailto:lindasun@alldial.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: David Archar's New Web Page - bonitafruittrees.com From: David Archer Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 21:12:23 -0700 Hi Leo, It was good to talk to you again. Please check out our new website at - bonitafruittrees.com I know the website is still not complete, but I feel it is greatly improved. As usual I would appreciate any inputs or comments you may have. Livio and I look forward to our visit with you tomorrow, between 8:30-9AM. Best Regards David mailto:bonitacreeknursery@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: CRFG July 2011 Newsletter From: "Fang Liu" Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:47:05 -0700 July 2011 CRFG San Diego Chapter Newsletter In addition to the great picnic events we have seen this month, there is a picnic, workshop day, and work party event being planned for Saturday August 20, 2011 at Southwestern College. This event will occur the week before The SouthBay GreenScene at Southwestern College (August 27, 2011) and we would like to use part of this day to prepare our fruit trees and fruit tree plantings for viewing. We are also planning to have a plant sale for our Chapter at this Greenscene event and would appreciate any donation of fruiting plants that members would be willing to contribute to the sale. We are also planning some workshops that will be held on this day that would be valuable to anyone interested in plant propagation. Mark these two Saturdays on your calendar and plan on attending this picnic and Greenscene at Southwestern College. Sincerely, Tom Del Hotal mailto:Chair@CRFGSanDiego.org ------------------------------------------------ Subject: I Need Source for Randia Formosa - Plant or Seeds From: Kris Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 22:36:54 -0500 Hi Does anyone know of a source for Randia Formosa - jasmin de rosa plant or seeds? Thanks Kris mailto:kvedadhaghi@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Randia Formosa buy - Google Search From: Leo Manuel Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:31:42 -0700 To: Kris Search Results 1. FRUIT TREE DESCRIPTIONS BLACKBERRY JAM FRUIT (Randia formosa) ... So much so that in Thailand a worker will work all day to be able to buy one fruit. They are prized and quite ... www.fruitlovers.com/fruittreedescriptions.html 2. Randia formosa- Fragrance and fresh Blackberry Jam - TopTropicals ... Randia formosa. Scientific name: Randia formosa. Synonyms: Mussaenda formosa, Randia mussaenda .Picture of the actual plant for sale, ... toptropicals.com/html/toptropicals/plant_wk/randia.htm 3. Randia formosa, Mussaenda formosa, Randia mussaenda, Blackberry ... Plant profile - Species: Randia formosa, Mussaenda formosa, Randia mussaenda ... toptropicals.com/cgi-bin/garden_catalog/cat.cgi?...Randia_formosa - Cached Show more results from toptropicals.com 4. Blackberry Jam Fruit - Randia formosa Randia fitzalanii Yellow Mangosteen Randia formosa Blackberry Jam Fruit Sarcocephalus xanthoxylon Ndea. Tropical Fruit Database by scientific name ... www.tradewindsfruit.com/blackberry_jam_fruit.htm ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Passiflora - tropical or not tropical From: Holzinger Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 19:49:51 -0700 Hi Leo, I would like to respond to Oscar's comments on my calling P. laurifolia tropical. I have tried to grow P. laurifolia in San Diego 3 miles from the coast and in Ventura six miles from the coast without luck. Neither place had a problem with frost, though it did get down to freezing at both places at least once. On the other hand I grew and fruited P. edulis f. flavicarpa in Ventura with ease, the plants were huge. I am currently growing P. edulis f. flavicarpa here in Carlsbad three miles from the coast and the second year plant has not flowered yet this year. I expect it to do so once we get into summer proper. My P. laurifolia plants may not have been good representatives of that species and so did not survive. I'll probably try it again in Carlsbad just to see if it can be done. Take care, Bob mailto:Holzinger@roadrunner.com ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Non-acidic citrus from June 15th newsletter From: lindasun@alldial.net Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:28:36 -0400 To: Jim@NineFlamingo.Com Dear Jim, I checked on this for you with the Citrus Experiment Station in Riverside and with Tom Shea, who is our citrus expert for UCR in Riverside, because I know that I had tasted this fruit there. I'm sorry that it took so long, but here is the scoop: The tree in question is probably Vainiglia sangria (or Vainiglia sanguigno) of Italy which is very old and is not a true blood orange, but can be located in the "blood orange family" at nurseries. At the Citrus Experiment Sta. they sometimes call it "creamsicle" because it tastes kind of like the ice cream bar and is described as "slightly pink inside near the rind". I will quote its description from a horticultural book: "Fruit medium-small to medium, subglobose to spherical; small apical depression; seedy. Rind medium-thick and finely to moderately pebbled. Well-colored at maturity. Juicy and sweet flavoreed but lacking in acid and with slight bitterness, though eating quality generally improves with age. Very early in maturity. Tree vigorous, medium-sized, and very productive." The coloration of this pink-fleshed orange is caused by the carotenoid pigment lycopene instead of an anthocyanin. They tell us that sweetness without acid is "insipid", but I have tasted this variety twice and it is OK. Places to buy the Vainiglia: Tree Source Citrus Nursery Four Winds I am pretty sure that this is the only known non-acid citrus. Hope this helps, Linda Sun Kilfeather mailto:lindasun@alldial.net ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: non-acidic citrus from June 15th newsletter From: Jim Robinson Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:29:42 -0500 To: lindasun@alldial.net Linda-- Thank you. This is the best lead on this fruit I have gotten in the several years I have been asking about it. You are an angel! Jim <><><><> Announcements And Web Pages To Consider <><><><> San Diego Chapter California Rare Fruit Growers Meeting: Where: Casa del Prado Building Room 101, Balboa Park When: Fourth Wednesday Of Each Month (Except December) See: http://www.crfgsandiego.org http://nc.crfgsandiego.org For North County CRFG Chapter Meeting http://www.crfg.org/chapters.html For information about ALL CRFG chapters. <><><> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HawaiiFruitlovers/ <><><> [HawaiiFruitlovers] HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com To: HawaiiFruitlovers@yahoogroups.com> None this time <><><><><><><><><> End of RFN201108A.txt <><><><><><><><><><> Reminder: Rare Fruit News Online is a newsletter that is much different from most newsletters. You subscribe if you want to have a place where you AND other readers write to either ask questions or to answer questions other readers have posed. Also, you and the other readers exchange information about fruit-growing problems or solutions. It is not designed to be a stream of information that the editor collects to distribute, although it sometimes does so. It withers and dies if YOU don't write to share information that other readers can relate to. Interested in reading past issues of RFNO? Those published in previous years can be accessed at the homepage for Rare Fruit News Online http://www.rarefruit.com RFNO in 2009: http://www.rarefruit.com/RFN2009AllYr.txt RFNO in 2008: http://www.rarefruit.com/RFN2008AllYr.txt RFNO in 2007: http://www.rarefruit.com/RFN2007AllYr.txt RFNO in 2006: http://www.rarefruit.com/RFN2006AllYr.txt RFNO in 2005: http://www.rarefruit.com/RFN2005AllYr.txt RFNO in 2004: http://www.rarefruit.com/RFN2004AllYr.txt RFNO in 2003: http://www.rarefruit.com/RFN2003AllYr.txt RFNO in 2002: http://www.rarefruit.com/RFN2002AllYr.txt RFNO in 2001: http://www.rarefruit.com/RFN2001AllYr.txt RFNO in 2000: http://www.rarefruit.com/RFN2000AllYr.txt RFNO in 1999: http://www.rarefruit.com/RFN1999AllYr.txt RFNO in 1998: http://www.rarefruit.com/RFN1998AllYr.txt RFNO in 1997: http://www.rarefruit.com/RFN1997AllYr.txt RFNO in 1996: http://www.rarefruit.com/RFN1996AllYr.txt The newsletter for the current year will be updated after each publication. At least, that's my hope. There are three email addresses for me. The one I will get most readily is rarefruit@san.rr.com, but either of these other two will also work: Better: leo92129@yahoo.com, and OK: rarefruit.manuel@gmail.com, and leom@rarefruit.com If you respond to questions in the newsletter, why not send a CC to me to include in the next issue? Often other readers have the same question, and would appreciate your information. -- --------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:rarefruit@san.rr.com or mailto:leo92129@Yahoo.com or mailto:rarefruit.manuel@gmail.com http://www.rarefruit.com Pitaya Newsgroup - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PitayaFruit/ ---------------------------------------------------------------